February 22, 2006
Why Port Security Matters, and Why Allies are not Friends
Many are now calling our objections to the UAE port deal "knee jerk", "Islamaphobic", a "red herring" or even "racist". I have friends making the argument, so I won't point them out specifically.
Since the last time I checked "Islam" was still not a "race", I will give no space to that silly argument other than to mention that there are millions of Christian Arabs scattered throughout the Middle East.
As for being "Islamaphobic", I'm not exactly sure how one decides which fears are objectively irrational and which fears are not. For my part, given a fairly large body of evidence, I do not believe it is irrational to scrutinize Muslims more closely than Mennonites and Buddhists. And while I'm sure any religion has its share of its fanatics, to claim that Islam has a disproportionate share of them isn't exactly a problematic in my view.
So, to the last objection: that fears over the announcement that a Dubai (UAE) based company would acquire certain ports in the U.S. were "knee jerk" reactions. This objection is related to the two mentioned above. I can draw no other conclusion than to think that such a statement is predicated on the assumption that the "knee jerk" reaction is based on Islamaphobia or hatred of Arabs. I believe I've addressed those two above, and if the reaction is not based on irrational Islamaphobia or racism against Arabs, then why is it "knee jerk"?
The fundamental problem with the White House arguments that the port sale should go through rest on a misperception of the nature of an ally.
Alliances are relationsips based on mutual interests.
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I'll try again this again. Internal server must'a not got tipped again!
Your comment on ..."Islam" was still not a "race",...and as I understand "religion" to be defined, not that either. "Cult" seems to be a more accurate description, which can be referred to as an "Extinct Cult" if and when, the world wakes up to the fact that Islamic Ghouls are to be destroyed, not understood or mollycoddled!
Posted by: forest hunter at February 22, 2006 05:33 PM (Fq6zR)
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I'll try again this again. Internal server must'a not got tipped again! Hopefully, this won't be a double whammy.
Your comment on ..."Islam" was still not a "race",...and as I understand "religion" to be defined, not that either. "Cult" seems to be a more accurate description, which can be referred to as an "Extinct Cult" if and when, the world wakes up to the fact that Islamic Ghouls are to be destroyed, not understood or mollycoddled!
Posted by: forest hunter at February 22, 2006 05:34 PM (Fq6zR)
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Well, that ought'a clear it up, sayin' it twice! Can ya hear me now? Sorry 'bout that y'all.
Posted by: forest hunter at February 22, 2006 05:37 PM (Fq6zR)
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Better take that one up with George...
Basically, he can't even find a veto pen since he started "working" as president and now he is ready to whip it out and use it...... for what?
For a sweetheart deal that made Secretary Snow MILLIONS of dollars (and we're supposed to believe he has no conflict of interest as Chairman of the committee that approves it)... and here's the best part....
Bush didn't even know the details of this deal until after he started having a temper tantrum!!!!
So the issue is not principle... the issue is Junior can't stand the idea of having to be accountable or having anyone tell him what to do....
Great. I love to watch the shills defend this .... giving away millions of dollars to a fat cat already worth 100 million so a country that has aided terrorists and nuclear proliferators can manage American sea ports....
What amazes me is how many people went from "The only good Muslim is a dead Muslim" to "We need to be fair and let terrorist sympathizers manage our ports" OVERNIGHT...
What's it going to take before people walk away from this guy? LNG tankers blowing up in 5 harbors on the same day?
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Democrats serve their country.
Republicans serve their country up on a platter.
Posted by: 8ackgr0und N015e at February 22, 2006 10:17 PM (K5Ko+)
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Noise, just because the GOP is exposed as being rife with corruption doesn't mean the dhimmicraps get a free pass. The GOP must be purged of their crooks if they want to send anyone else to office, but the dhimmi's are all crooks, and a purge would leave no party. Take your bullshit somewhere else you idiot kid.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 23, 2006 05:24 AM (0yYS2)
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This hubbub began as a knee-jerk reaction and some have had the intelligence to refine their argument over it while others continue to screech with little basis for it as they don't know all the facts. There has been much misinformation and lack of information over this deal. I understand your argument and I agree. But I still have mixed feelings.
Dubai Ports World is taking a huge risk too. They are already in al Qaeda's sights a traitors to the Arab cause because of the huge steps they've taken to become a tactical ally to us. This will only make it worse for them because the alliance goes beyond just the tactical. You say people remain allies because they have similar goals even if they don't have similar philosophies. This is a business deal. And business partners are not always of the same political or philosophical stripe either.
What we need to understand too is that port security is still "our" game. Their role is purely operational and they are more advanced technologically than the current operators. Too, one has to understand that they will most certainly protect their financial interests with their own first-line-of-defense security measures because this ain't no small potatoes deal. They are "partly" government owned (many think they are solely government owned) and out of the eighteen ports they manage only three are Arab. They're in Australia, Germany, Romania, China, India ...
But, like you, I still have reservations due to the nature of their government. I'm just trying to be pragmatic.
Posted by: Oyster at February 23, 2006 05:39 AM (YudAC)
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Dennis the Peasant has done some real research on this. It might be of interest to some.
Posted by: Oyster at February 23, 2006 07:47 AM (7YTVr)
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"The only good Muslim is a dead Muslim" to "We need to be fair and let terrorist sympathizers manage our ports" OVERNIGHT...
noise,
Just more baseless verbal poopie from the "reality-based" community. I challenge you to show me where Bush has said anything even slightly resembling that comment (I don't expect you to take up the challenge or produce anything tangible, by the way. Just more verbal poop). If anything Bush has bent over backward to the point of snapping his spine trying to convince us islam is a "religion of peace." He's been very consistent about that, and this port deal is consistent with his rhetoric thus far. We happen to disagree with him.
But why are the Dhimmicrats suddenly doing such a 180 on this? Observer how they sell their muslim pets down the road for some short-term political points. It couldn't possibly be hyporcrisy, now could it?
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 23, 2006 09:28 AM (8e/V4)
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Joe,
My comment about the 180 was for people on talk radio and blogs who are trying to put lipstick on this pig.
Bush couldn't do a 180... he didn't even know that Snow was putting this deal together until he read about it in the paper!
I thought the Washington Times' piece titled "Scotch the Port Deal" was funny.... rude given how many DUIs Cheney, Bush, and Snow have between them.... but funny nonetheless.
As for apologists..even in this space there are people trying to paint this as reasonable.
In addition to the six affected ports mentioned above, two others would also have part of their operations managed by DP World – on behalf of none other than the U.S. Army. Under a newly extended contract, the owner of P and O will manage the movement of heavy armor, helicopters and other military materiel through the Texas seaports of Beaumont and Corpus Christie. That would be like allowing Okinawans in 1942 to work as military contractors at Pearl Harbor.
And for those who think this is simply a matter of DP buying out P&0... think again. The UAE evidently intends to raise nearly all of the $6.8 billion price for P and O on international capital markets. Who will the foreign investors be? How will we know? You think the US is the only country that uses front operations?
The reason we are looking at this mess is this is yet another example of this administration cutting corners and ignoring the laws set up to protect us.
Posted by: 8ackgr0und N015e at February 23, 2006 10:26 AM (K5Ko+)
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Noise,
we're still waiting for you to show us who went from "The only good Muslim is a dead Muslim" to "We need to be fair and let terrorist sympathizers manage our ports" OVERNIGHT...".
Like I said, Bush has been consistent about working with (moderate) muslims, whilst we genuine islamophobes are consistently against the port deal. So who's flip flopped? Still waiting for you to produce something tangible.
The only flip floppers here are the Dhimmicrats. They're willing to become "racists" and "islamophobes" for some short-term political gain. They won't live this down.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 23, 2006 10:39 AM (8e/V4)
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check out blisteringcheese.com
http://blisteringcheese.com/index.php/weblog/comments/11491/
Posted by: 8ackgr0und N015e at February 23, 2006 11:34 AM (K5Ko+)
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"That would be like allowing Okinawans in 1942 to work as military contractors at Pearl Harbor."
Not quite. We aren't at war with the UAE. But nice try.
Posted by: Oyster at February 23, 2006 11:36 AM (7YTVr)
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Noise,
blistering cheese is making the same baseless claim you are. Conservatives are almost unamimously against the port deal-- whether it be Bush or John Kerry. So essentially you've created a strawman to knock down. And you folks call yourselves the "reality-based" community.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 23, 2006 11:51 AM (8e/V4)
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and ps., Noise, are you goind to address why you and blistering cheese and the Dhimmicrats have become such islamophobes and racists overnight? Reality-based indeed.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 23, 2006 11:55 AM (8e/V4)
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From the start, I've said I had no problem with this deal. I actually know exactly what port operations entail pretty much inside and out courtesy my fed job position in harbor operations here in NYC. I know this company and its record - and I have good knowledge of the UAE. I also have decent fair knowledge of actual port security and who does what and what it entails right here in the Port of NY/NJ (one of the biggest in the country).
To the lib/left this whole thing is just another example Bush incompetence and why this admin should fall and be replaced by them (the Cheney thing has recently run out of steam).
But to some on the right the reaction borders on blind ignorance, hatred and dare say even bigotry and racism.
Rusty seems to have been the only one who has actually addressed this openingly and intelligently - and though we disagree on the final conclusion - at least I appreciated his argument and gave it serious thought (ref - nature of alliances).
I know the biggest unseen pusher behind the Dem position is the affected unions - and I know what their position is and why. As far as the left - hell - its obvious. But some of you guys on the right - whoa!
Looks like the lib/left found its magic bullet. This really is disturbing in the long term.
Posted by: hondo at February 23, 2006 12:26 PM (fyKFC)
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hondo,
this "magic bullet" is just more Dem attempts to triangulate. They think they can come off as strong on security with this one lonely example, and in the process they're only confirming to anybody with any sense that they have no core. At least Dhimmi Carter has a core.
Bush, on the other hand, is being entirely consistent with his own rhetoric. He's always said islam is a "religion of peace", and he's always expressed a desire to work with moderate muslims in the war on terror. Dubai certainly fits that bill.
We conservatives too are entirely consistent in our opposition to the deal. It's only the Dems who've flipped. Because they have no core. They simply look for short-term political gain, but it costs them in the long run. It's why they lost the last election, despite the war and the economy. It should have been a gimme.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 23, 2006 12:49 PM (8e/V4)
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JC
You know how I feel about the lib/left - but some of the conservation reaction is disturbing and not consistant. I know what motivates the lib/left and they don't give a damn about security - and they have consistantly failed to get any traction.
This whole thing however is creating a crack for them and letting the right do more damage than they have been able to.
As I said - I don't have a problem with this deal - and no one has given me an adequate reason to state otherwise - and I am directly affected by this! You could come over my house - we'd drive over to NorthShore Point - and lobe tennis balls off the sides of massive container ships 100 ft away in the channel slowing moving towards the terminal berths. I'm practically sitting on the exact port terminals in question.
Posted by: hondo at February 23, 2006 01:08 PM (fyKFC)
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hondo,
then Bush should explain to us why the deal is ok, on the merits, instead of labeling us "isolationists" and islamophobes. I expect that from moonbats, not from the Bush camp. He did the same thing to us with Harriet Myers, labeling us sexists and elitists. It's a betrayal. He should knock it off asap.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 23, 2006 01:54 PM (8e/V4)
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JC, Bush has been very exasperating all along when it comes to communicating. So it's really nothing new that he hasn't changed in that regard. It doesn't make it right - not at all. We do get tired of hearing, "Trust me." I could only recommend doing some serious research. I've been doing a lot. Read the link I gave above to Dennis the Peasant's post and check on his claims yourself to corroborate what info he gives.
Posted by: Oyster at February 23, 2006 02:45 PM (7YTVr)
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JC
I thought he did! The very fact that a foreign investment like this has to be investigated and get prior approval by more than a dozen federal agencies including National Security related - plus as we now know additional agreements were made above required!
Point is - nothing Bush can say will square this with you. When all the above is done and approved then this is strictly business - how much further do you want the presidency involved in national/regional business operations?
Posted by: hondo at February 23, 2006 06:04 PM (fyKFC)
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>>>Point is - nothing Bush can say will square this with you.
Nonsense. We've been giving Bush the benefit of the doubt for years. It's only polite that he do the same with us instead of talking to us like he's some kind of moonbat. We aren't isolationists, and we're not unreasonable in our islamophobia. Talk to us, George.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 23, 2006 07:04 PM (8e/V4)
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Oyster
The Dennis link was right on the money - thanks. This is where I've been working out of for the past 5+ years (recently left) - harbor operations/maintenance (fed agency).
Its amazing how far some will go with this without any idea whatsoever what is involved in port terminal operations - its as if the reality of said operations is irrelevant to all this.
The biggest threats I ever saw was the apparent widespread incompetence and corruption amongst my (former) agency - and we weren't involved in security.
A big force behind the scene on this is the involved unions. They hate all of the private corps and carriers running ops and calling the shots. They really miss the good ol'days of the '50s when they and their political friends ran the docks (into the ground!).
Posted by: hondo at February 23, 2006 08:22 PM (fyKFC)
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Hey, here's a great idea to please the Arab countries who are our 'Allies' and 'Friends' and all the Muslims, from moderates to radical IslamOfascist monkee killers that dream of destroying and taking over America:
The U.S. should outsource Homeland Security to Saudi Arabia! After all, they are one of our biggest allies in the Middle East when it comes to the GWIFT (Global War on Islamic Fascism & Terror).
Why not? This would be a great way to "make a statement" that we trust any country with our security, even one that secretly nurtures, finances and educates many of their citizenry toward desiring the Non-Islamic world to be enslaved under Sharia Law.
They'll really start to love us after this, terrorism will start to diminish, and many IslamOfascists will start becoming more and more Hippyish and Flowerchildish.
They'll no longer kidnap innocent men and women and slice their heads off on TV.
They will stop raping young women and then stoning them for adultery after they become pregnant.
They will stop hating all Jews and wanting to "wipe Israel off the map".
Why not? This would be a very nice gift to the Islamic world. A way of saying thank you for not committing any major terrorist attacks in the U.S. since 9/11.
Posted by: Little Blue PD at February 24, 2006 12:53 AM (SJJAx)
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Port operations and port security are two different things - though I doubt some really give a damn.
Some refuse to make a distinction here about anything and insist upon some kneejerk reaction.
Fine. Then why are we even bothering in Iraq or Afghanistan?
Posted by: hondo at February 24, 2006 02:02 AM (fyKFC)
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Hondo asks: Then why are we even bothering in iraq or Afghanistan?
Good question.
Afghanistan... because the failed regime turned into a launching pad for international terrorists that attacked us. When we demanded they hand over the perpetrators, they refused. We invaded with the support of virtually every country in the world, including Iran, Cuba, Libya, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, China and Russia. The realization of that threat to international stability was why central asian countries like Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and others allowed us to set up military bases for operations. The opposition to that invasion was extremely muted. Congressional approval was virtually unanimous. Even Quakers went on record supporting it.
Iraq... There have been over 2 dozen reasons floated by this administration to justify the invasion. Now that the long predicted Civil War has begun, the only plausible reason left is to maintain control of oil contracts so they can be denominated in dollars not euros. In contrast to Afghanistan, opposition to this invasion was very vocal. About 1/3 of Democrats voted against it. Most of our allies refused to participate. Those who did have since cut back dramatically on their involvement. The consequence is the costs have spiraled out of control, we have damaged our standing around the world, we have stretched our military to the point that is no longer a credible deterrant. Gulliver has tied himself down and inflicted more damage on himself than anyone else could ever have done.
The worst part is the radical new doctrine of preemptive war has provided incentive for other nations to join together. The growing alliance known as the Shanghai Cooperation Organization demonstrates the US will soon be confronting a political/economic/military alliance that it cannot defeat.
The pending admission of Pakistan and India to an alliance dominated by China demonstrates how the Bush Doctrine has successfully driven countries that are normally at each other's throats into each other's arms. The rise of SCO will mark the end of American hegemony as it will consist of 4 nuclear powers (with a 5th pending), 2 major oil producers, 2 major gas producers, 1/2 the world's population, and a land mass from the Baltic to the Pacific, the Arctic to the Indian Ocean.
The rise of SCO will scuttle American aspirations for a Pax Americana and mark the end of American hegemony. Unfortunately, this could have been avoided if Republicans served their country before serving their party.
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The worst wounds are self-inflicted
- Duke Cunningham
Posted by: 8ackgr0und N015e at February 24, 2006 08:34 AM (K5Ko+)
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Little Blue - Your far-flung and childish suggestions do not advance the discussion at all. You're just "acting out" and contributing absolutely no pertinent knowledge of the situation. Now, if you care to promote discussion in a manner removed from emotion and virtual "waving of arms", we're ready to listen.
Posted by: Oyster at February 24, 2006 08:37 AM (YudAC)
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noise,
your "analysis" reads like something out of a wacko Leftwing website. But instead of more feverish speculation, why not just answer the few simple easy questions put to you. Because I could challenge your latest drivel too, but what's the use. You're not here for an exchange, merely to hit and run.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 24, 2006 09:07 AM (8e/V4)
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You can discount what I say, but you cannot ignore the fact that Uzbekistan kicked out US troops last year. We are talking about a country that if it were a state, it would be getting aid from West Virginia. When was the last time the US was kicked out of a country? I mean before Uzbekistan?
You can pretend this is loonie talk... because it scares you witless to realize that the criticism of this policy was right.
BEFORE the invasion people said the NSS of 2002 was a mistake waiting to happen. The invasion of Iraq was objected to because it a) discounted the economic impact of protracted global war, b) disdained the diplomatic alliances needed in a nuclear age, c) dismissed the professional opinion of experienced military commanders, and d) disregarded the intelligence that did not support the policy.
Everyone who raised these points was labelled a traitor, terrorist sympathizer, or worse. Many were fired or forced to resign. During this entire time Republicans have controlled the Executive and the Legislative branches. The cronyism you see with Halliburton and now Snow & Co. are part and parcel of this administration's disdain for dialogue and contempt for law.
Instead of refuting any of the points raised you lob epithets and shriek like a battered spouse protecting her abuser, refusing to see how you have enabled the destruction.
The facts are clear. The arthmetic is clear. The outcome is clear. Pretending otherwise flies in the face and teeth of reality.
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Posted by: Background Noise at February 24, 2006 09:30 AM (K5Ko+)
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>>>"because it scares you witless "
noise,
Uzbekistan kicked and out, and we.....ACTUALLY LEFT??? The horrors! I'm scared witless.
But you left out the part that they kicked us out of Uzbekistan because we condemned their human rights record. The Uzbek dictator is a villain who boils dissidents alive, and we had the temerity to criticize him. Shame on you George Bush!
No, I don't lob epithets unless they're first lobbed at me. Then it's open season. On the contrary, I've addressed your hit and runs with reasoned responses, to no avail. You refuse to answer any challenge to your bomb throwing. Shows how weak your position is. It's bumper sticker ideology.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 24, 2006 10:00 AM (8e/V4)
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you can spin the departure anyway you like... just as you spin everything else .. DiRita tried to spin it too....
The United States was among many insisting upon an independent investigation into the Andijon events. But Uzbekistan sought shelter from international criticism and found it in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), which groups Uzbekistan with Russia, China, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, and Tajikistan. At the SCO summit in July, the group approved a call for the United States to name a date for its departure from bases in Central Asia.
At the time, US officials blamed China and Russia for pressuring the Central Asian states into demanding the US name a date for leaving.
US Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs Lawrence Di Rita pointed to the importance of the Uzbek base and said it was Uzbekistan and not the SCO who should decide how long the United States could use Khanabad.
"I hadnÂ’t seen the declaration or whatever it was that the group put out. ItÂ’s a facility that is -- that the United States government and, in fact, the coalition have found to be an important -- providing an important capability in the global war on terror. ItÂ’s one that we have operated from with the consent and the cooperation of the Uzbek government. ItÂ’s a decision the Uzbek government has to make as to whether or not we would continue to operate from that." Di Rita said.
In the following weeks, Tashkent made it clear that it wanted US forces out of the country.
US Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Daniel Fried was in Tashkent on 27 September to formalize what was already known for two months -- the US military is leaving Uzbekistan by the end of this year.
After FriedÂ’s meeting with Uzbek President Islam Karimov, Uzbek presidential spokesman Beruniy Olimov tried to put a good face on the results. But Fried plainly said that "we intend to leave the base without further discussion." He could have added that the state of US-Uzbek relations was the worst it has been since the Soviet Union collapsed.
http://www.eurasianet.org/departments/insight/articles/pp092905.shtml
the fact is that is the first domino to fall...
U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's trip to Kyrgyzstan -- aiming to keep the U.S. military base there open -- resulted in a stalemate. While Rumsfeld received assurances from Bishkek that the U.S. air base would not be closed any time soon, he was also told the base would not become permanent. In any event, Washington has made it clear it will not be pushed out of Central Asia easily, so now the real competition can begin.
http://www.stratfor.com/products/premium/read_article.php?id=252486&countryId=68
of course it scares you witless....
when people said the nss 2002 was a mistake you called them appeasers and worse.
when people said invading iraq was a mistake you called them cowards and worse.
when people turned their backs and refused to help you mocked them.
when people offered to help they were shunned.
when people tell you how you were misled you ignore them.
when people demand accountability you shirk it.
when it all falls apart you blame everyone but yourself.
the carelessness of an administration run by drunks is no surprise .... what is a surprise is how many people enabled them.
unfortunately, these drunks are taking the rest of us with them as they rush to hit bottom.
But back to Central Asia...
You may think Uzbekistan doesn't matter... but you are wrong. It was a clear signal of America's waning influence and they have snatched upon it and are running with it as fast as they can. The sad part is all the sycophants are so busy parading their triumphalist nonsense they don't even realize their is a race going on... are you aware that there is a new Russian, Indian, Pakistani pipeline deal in the works? Are you aware of the military exercises held by SCO with observer nations attending? Are you aware of the pending joint Russian Indian military exercises? Are you aware of the pending China Iran oil deal pending?
When history is written, Bush will be compared to Nero -- unfavorably -- and those who blindly supported him will not be able to say "we didn't know" because the record is clear you were warned repeatedly and chose to ignore it.
Posted by: 8ackgr0und N015e at February 24, 2006 10:37 AM (K5Ko+)
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You Lefties, as usual, side with foreign dictators, against your own country. The only thing that scares me witless is knowing that there are so many of you within our nation's borders.
"Uzbekistan formally ordered the United States to leave an air base that has been a hub for operations in Afghanistan in protest over a predawn United Nations operation on Friday to spirit out refugees who had fled an uprising in Uzbekistan in May, senior State Department officials said Saturday.
Mr. Burns said the United States had been "profoundly concerned" about the status of the Uzbek refuges in Kyrgyzstan who fled after the Andijon incident. "We have energetically supported the efforts to bring them to safety in Romania," he said, "because we feared they would be persecuted if they were sent back to Uzbekistan."
Another State Department official, speaking on condition of anonymity because of department ground rules, said, "Obviously we don't want to lose K-2." But he added that loss of the base was preferable to backing away from demanding that Uzbekistan start political and economic reforms and agree to an international investigation of the Andijon killings."
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/31/international/31uzbek.html?ex=1140930000&en=6978b2e607a32a53&ei=5070
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 24, 2006 01:08 PM (8e/V4)
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Regardless of the merits (if any) of placing US ports under foreign control (dubious Dubai), Junior has clearly alienated his clinging remnant of support. He enjoyed a whopping 27% margin amongst non-college-educated White males in the 2004 election, and now even what remained of that hardcore demographic is abandoning him, as even the radical evangelicals within that ilk are now throwing tantrums. The once simmering anti-Muslim, anti-Arab bigotry is now seething.
Politically, Junior has just blown the 'national security' dome off the GOP temple, and it was the only shelter they had left.
Confucius say: Always better to shoot friend in face than self in foot.
Posted by: tipsy at February 25, 2006 07:17 AM (PbJdC)
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I LIKE IT!! Great idea for a bumper sticker too.
Posted by: heroyalwhyness at February 22, 2006 03:13 PM (XU9K/)
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I'm sitting this one out. Actions speak a lot louder than words - and words lend themselves to semantic redefinitions quite easily.
I want to see what the Danes and other Euros will do over the next several months before I cuddle up next to them and make a fool of myself.
Posted by: hondo at February 22, 2006 04:01 PM (fyKFC)
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hondo, you made much the same comment on my post about this. I don't see myself aligning so much with the Danes as with our own Constitution. Standing for freedom of speech and freedom of the press isn't really subject to the whims of fashion and international politics. It just happens to be the Danes on the receiving end right now.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at February 22, 2006 04:36 PM (RHG+K)
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Agreed - but the islamists can be placated, even if only temporarily. The Danes and Euros know this - and they know what it takes. Even if it is just a war of words, the Danes know they can offer up US and Israel to sooth them.
Principals of free speech and press are US inventions - the Euro versions came later and they are - versions, variations on the theme. There are differences.
Posted by: hondo at February 22, 2006 05:54 PM (fyKFC)
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I'm with hondon on this one. I'll stand up for the Danes when they begin standing up for themselves. Until then they're just dhimmis.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 22, 2006 08:28 PM (8e/V4)
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FLEMMING ROSE THE AUTHOR OF THE PROPHET CARTOONS IS A ZIONIST JEW
Flemming Rose born 3/14/1956 into a Jewish family in the Ukraine
Flemming Rose, a Jewish extremist supporter of Israel and close friend of Neocon Jewish extremist Daniel Pipes.
Either we in the West believe in Freedom of Speech or we don't. If we really have free speech then why is world-renowned historian David Irving sitting in a prison in Vienna right now facing up to 20 years imprisonment for having a dissenting opinion on some details of the Holocaust? Why was Germar Rudolf, a Chemist Doctoral Candidate, kept from receiving his degree and now sits in a dank prison meant for terrorists with a five year sentence for simply scientifically challenging some forensics of the Holocaust? Why has a pacifist Canadian, Ernst Zundel been in prison for 3 years and now faces trial in Mannheim, Germany for expressing his conscience on an historical period now over 50 years old! It should be obvious to all the fair-minded people that the pro-Israel, pro Clash of Civilizations, pro World War III cartel of media brazenly supports freedom only when it supports their own nefarious agenda, they cannot afford criticism or dissent.
Flemming Rose born 3/14/1956 into a Jewish family in the Ukraine
Flemming Rose, a Jewish extremist supporter of Israel and close friend of Neocon Jewish extremist Daniel Pipes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Flemming_Rose&oldid=39058031
Posted by: hansrussen at February 24, 2006 05:42 PM (8kpQK)
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So, let's look at the guy who started this whole cartoon escapade. He's Flemming Rose, the cultural editor of the Danish newspaper. In all of the Lexis-Nexis database of stories from the American media on the Mohammed cartoons, there is absolutely no mention of the fact that Rose is a close confederate of arch-Islamophobe Daniel Pipes. Indeed, there is almost no context at all about Rose's newspaper. On a brief mention in the Washington Post gave a hint at a fact desperately needed to understand the situation. The Post described the affair as “a calculated insult … by a right-wing newspaper in a country where bigotry toward the minority Muslim population is a major, if frequently unacknowledged, problem.”
How bad is Pipes? He wants the utter military obliteration of the Palestinians; indeed, from the Muslim world, his racism is about as blatant as that of the Holocaust denying Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. PipesÂ’ frequent outbursts of racism -- designed to toss gasoline on the neo-consÂ’ lust for a wholesale conflict of cultures -- earned him a Bush nomination to the U.S. Institute of Peace, a congressionally funded think tank. Rose came to America to commune with Pipes in 2004, and it was after that meeting the cartoon gambit materialized.
It's also worth noting that Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen wrapped himself in protestations about freedom of speech, and that's commendable. But he is one of Bush's few fans in Europe, steeped in the we-versus-them rhetoric, and having sent troops to the Iraqi Crusade.
Is Rose an equal opportunity offender? No way. As the British press reported last week, his newspaper refused in 2003 to run cartoons that ridiculed Jesus. And, of course, free expression in Europe is very relative. Many of the democracies have laws banning certain speech.
Posted by: hansrussen at February 24, 2006 05:43 PM (8kpQK)
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But Rose acknowledges that even his liberalism has its limits. He said he would not publish a cartoon of Israel's Ariel Sharon strangling a Palestinian baby, since that could be construed as "racist."
Now why would Rose refuse to publish a cartoon depicting Ariel Sharon, a known war-criminal and genocidaire, strangling a Palestinian baby?
Why would such a cartoon, correct and accurate in its depiction, be considered "racist" by Flemming Rose? Sharon has certainly been responsible for the murder of thousands of Palestinians during his time on this planet. He is a well-known war criminal. So, why would an Israeli war criminal be protected by Mr. Rose?
Are we likely to see cartoons in Jyllands-Posten calling into question the force-fed Zionist myth of the Holocaust, which has become the new "Holy Cause" of Europe?
Why should the criminal history of a Zionist leader or outstanding questions about the the Second World War be more protected than the worshipped prophet of one of the world's major religions?
Posted by: hansrussen at February 24, 2006 05:44 PM (8kpQK)
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Jail for British Holocaust denier but nothing against flemming rose the zionist racist jew who offend muslims with his prophet cartoons
Monday 20 February 2006, 22:54
Irving termed the trial ridiculous
A British historian has been convicted in Austria of denying the Holocaust - a crime in this country once run by the Nazis - and sentenced to three years in prison.
Elmar Kresbach, the lawyer, said: "I consider the verdict a little too stringent. I would say it's a bit of a message trial."
Irving appeared shocked as the sentence was read out. Moments later, an elderly man who identified himself only as a family friend called out: "Stay strong, David - stay strong," before he was escorted from the courtroom.
Irving, 67, has been in custody since his arrest in November on charges stemming from two speeches he gave in Austria in 1989 in which he was accused of denying the Nazis' extermination of six million Jews.
Earlier on Monday, he told journalists he considered it "ridiculous" that he was standing trial for remarks made 17 years ago.
Irving's trial was held amidst new - and fierce - debate over freedom of expression in Europe, where the printing and reprinting of unflattering cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad has triggered violent protests worldwide.
Posted by: hansrussen at February 24, 2006 05:45 PM (8kpQK)
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The Danish constitution says:
“The law prohibits publicly disseminated statements, which threaten, insult, or degrade persons based on their religion.”
And this law was used by the Danish government to condemn “anti-Semitic” activities and investigate them, as mentioned in the human rights report made by the US Department of State regarding Denmark in 2004:
“From January through June, there were five incidents of anti-Semitic vandalism, primarily graffiti, and one incident of an anti-Semitic mailing, which the government condemned and investigated.”
Why a different stand when it comes to Islam? Of course there is nothing new in this. In April last year the queen of Denmark was quoted by the Telegraph newspaper as saying that we (Denmark) “should show our opposition to Islam”.
The problem is not confined to Demark; some newspapers in some European countries used the same cartoons to say that they support the Danish newspaper's “freedom of speech”.
These countries that boast about freedom of speech and freedom of press are the same countries that make it illegal and punishable by prison for anyone to question the holocaust .
In France a university professor was sacked because he made a research questioning the magnitude of the Holocaust. In Germany one risks going to jail if one denies the Holocaust .
In fact the Italian interior minister confirmed on Thursday that legal action is being taken against 11 football fans for brandishing Nazi symbols during a Serie A game. The 11 face prison sentences of between three months and one year.
There are many examples to show that freedom of press in Europe stops when it comes to some historical facts that two can differ upon, but when it is about insulting Islam then it is freedom of speech.
No freedom is absolute; a person's freedom ends when it encroaches into another person's freedom.
Posted by: hansrussen at February 24, 2006 05:46 PM (8kpQK)
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The mainstream media coverage of the anti-Islamic cartoons ignores the fact that the publication of the images was a "calculated offense" commissioned by a Jewish "Danish" colleague of the Jewish neocon ideologue Daniel Pipes and was meant to incite violence and promote the Jewish "clash of civilizations" between Muslims and Christians. After Danish embassies in three Muslim nations were attacked and set alight by angry Muslims protesting the anti-Islamic cartoons published in a Danish newspaper, the mainstream Jewish media turned its attention (from the 58-year Jewish occupation of Palestine and the Zionist occupation of Iraq) to the "controversial" images and the violent reactions they provoked.
Invariably, however, the Jewish-controlled press overlooked the important fact that the offensive images were commissioned and published by a Jewish "Danish" colleague of the Jewish neoconservative extremist Daniel Pipes.
The anti-Muslim cartoon scandal has turned out to be a major step forward for the Zionist neocons and their long-planned for Israel "clash of civilizations", the artificially constructed conflict designed to pit the so-called Christian West against the Islamic world.
"The rioting that has erupted across the Middle EastÂ… is a predictable if overwrought reaction to what now seems like a calculated offense against Islam," the Miami Herald wrote in its lead editorial on Feb. 7, 2006. "It is not necessary to reprint the offending cartoons for U.S. readers to understand the issue," the Knight-Ridder paper said. "A religious taboo was violated, and those involved knew full well what they were doing. The incident fell all too neatly into the hands of those who would exacerbate tensions between Europe and the Muslim world."
The Zionist Flemming Rose, the cultural editor of Jyllands-Posten (JP), is the person who commissioned and published the offensive cartoons knowing that the images would exacerbate tensions between Europe and the Islamic nations.
Rose is a colleague of the Jewish neocon Pipes who visited the Philadelphia office of Pipes' Zionist web site, called Middle East Forum, in 2004.
Rose then penned a sympathetic article about Pipes entitled "The Threat from Islamism", which promoted his extreme anti-Islamic views without mentioning the fact that Pipes is a rabid Zionist Jewish extremist. Pipes, the son of the Polish-born Jewish Zionist neocon professor Richard E. Pipes, is a Zionist of the most extreme sort, who says that the Palestinian people need to have a "change of heart" that should be brought about after being utterly defeated by the Israeli military. "How is a change of heart achieved? It is achieved by an Israeli victory and a Palestinian defeat," Pipes said in 2003. "The Palestinians need to be defeated even more than Israel needs to defeat them." After three Danish embassies were attacked by angry Muslims, CNN turned to Pipes, its carefully chosen Middle East analyst, to explain the cause of the widespread anger in the Muslim world. Rather than discuss the origin of the anti-Muslim images, which had provoked the protests, Pipes blamed radical clerics for having circulated the offensive images! CNN failed to mention that Pipes and Rose are Zionist Jewish neocon colleagues while Pipes blamed Muslims for the violent protests, saying that "extremists" had used the offensive cartoons published by Rose "to rally their people and become more agitatedly anti-Western." While there have been massive protests throughout the Muslim world against Denmark for the offense against Islam, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, with Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni by her side, blamed Syria and Iran for the violent protests in Damascus and Tehran. "Iran and Syria have gone out of their way to inflame sentiments and to use this to their own purposes," Rice said. "And the world ought to call them on it."
In an article entitled "Cartoons and Islamic Imperialism", written as the Danish embassies smoldered, Jewish Pipes framed the "key issue at stake in the battle over the 12 "Danish" cartoons. "Will the West stand up for its customs and mores, including freedom of speech, or will Muslims impose their way of life on the West? Ultimately, there is no compromise," Pipes wrote! "Westerners will either retain their civilization, including the right to insult and blaspheme, or not."
Repeated questions to Rose, Pipes, and the editors of JP about whether Europeans should also have the right to "insult and blaspheme" the Zionist Jewish version of the "Holocaust" went unanswered.
During the last decade, there have been several thousand people fined and hundreds put in European prisons for having written or spoken about the "Holocaust" or Jewish related affairs in a manner deemed illegal.
Framing the cartoon scandal in this way and forcing a false choice between defending the "free press" or the Muslim protesters, Pipes reveals his hidden hand behind the publication of the cartoons, which now appears to be a well-laid trap into which a number of newspapers and populist parties have fallen.
There is also a clear connection between the publication of the anti-Muslim cartoons and the secretive Jewish power.
Anders Fogh Rasmussen, the "Danish" prime minister and frequent Jewish power attendee, for example, has refused to issue a formal apology, which would cost Denmark nothing but could save the nation from further losses to its exporting business and national prestige.
Denmark has lost significant market share in Muslim nations due to a consumer boycott of Danish products.
The damage caused to Denmark's image, prestige and economy is likely to be severe and long-lasting. Danish lives are also clearly endangered.
Rasmussen's refusal to apologize, however, suggests that the "calculated offense", which has led to increased tension between Europeans and the Muslim world, was intentional.
One would think that the Jew Rose, as the person directly responsible for the "calculated offense" to millions of Muslims, would be charged under Europe's anti-racism laws, not to speak of the severe damage his offensive cartoons caused to Denmark and the Danish people.
Merete Eldrup, the managing director of IP/Politikens Hus, the parent company that owns Jyllands-Posten, is married to Anders Eldrup of Denmark, a Jewish group attendee for the last five years. Eldrup is chairman of Danish Oil and Natural Gas.
Posted by: hansrussen at February 24, 2006 05:47 PM (8kpQK)
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The banner, above, has the most attractive background I've seen so far in the "Support Denmark" campaign.
I like bumper stickers. They may not develop points of view very well, but they can be great at expressing them. Kind of like cartoons ...
Here's one I'd like to see:
Join the Muslim Diaspora!
Move to Sunny Scandinavia!
Rape Western Women!
Posted by: rdarmand at February 28, 2006 11:34 AM (k7h/L)
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The problem with believing in free speech and toleration is that it means you have to give free speech and tolerance to fascist scum like Hansrussen. But that doesn't mean you have to let him have space on your website!
Posted by: Bob from Brockley at March 16, 2006 07:47 AM (lCeVs)
NY Times Putting Troops in Danger?
CBS finally exercising some editorial discretion. NY Times, though, seems to be passing on information that could be exploited by terrorists to kill our troops in Iraq.
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The armor question has been openly discussed. In this article two retired Lt.Col (army and marine) discuss the problems. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/jan-june06/armor_1-11.html I am not sure of how sophicticated the training is of terrorist snipers.
Posted by: john ryan at February 22, 2006 03:22 PM (TcoRJ)
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If any american GI are harmed becuase of this we should indite the whole New York Times and hang FRANK RICH
Posted by: sandpiper at February 22, 2006 10:59 PM (uTBPj)
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I'd like to see the NYT blown up on live video with all aboard; that'd be news worth hearing.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 23, 2006 05:25 AM (0yYS2)
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There was another paper in just the last few days (maybe it was the Times) that at the last minute pulled a story at the request of the Pentagon that would have explained, in detail, new ways the military is handling the IED problem in Iraq. These idiots only hold back grudgingly and sometimes only briefly with much whining and complaining of "Censorship!" the whole time. They have little regard for the damage they do.
I'm with IM. Except I don't want anyone hurt, but I'd sure like to see their systems go down. And I'd like to know what morons give them all this detailed information so I can punch them myself.
Posted by: Oyster at February 23, 2006 05:48 AM (YudAC)
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Instead of putting our troops in danger, wouldn't it be nice to have American newspapers print some information that would actually help them. What about some positive information about the progress in Iraq? I don't think I read anywhere in these major papers that in January, Iraqi Security Forces planned and executed 27% of the total operations in Iraq. I guess this isn't good news... I'm ashamed to think how these troops feel when they hear about the type of things blasted through our media here in America. They need to know we support them, and this is clearly not the way to do it...
Posted by: AnnaB at February 23, 2006 10:31 AM (+K/WF)
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Is anyone else noticing how my comments draw so little negative reaction these days? In fact, more and more people are starting to sound like me. It makes it worth getting up in the morning to know that I'm not alone in this fight.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 23, 2006 08:33 PM (0yYS2)
Forced Abortions for Black People Proposed in Netherlands
I'm sure this won't ever become public policy, but it's scary to think that any one even considered forcing black people to have abortions in the Netherlands.
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The vile, racist, murderous legacy of Margaret Sanger lives on.
Posted by: Insomniac at February 22, 2006 03:45 PM (IEpte)
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WorldNetDaily says its a picture of where the Democrat party want to take the US. I think that's half right considering practical political realities (expediency for power). They won't mind killing to solve social problems that don't benefit them, but more babies born without much hope mean more socialist control, and how much they really care.
Posted by: Javapuke at February 22, 2006 03:52 PM (xeeW/)
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I would need more information on this story before jumping to conclusions (I get a lil' pissed when no linkage back to original source for verification is available). Euros however (especially the Northern ones) have been in the historical forefront on forced sterilizations and later abortions as a solution to dealing with undesirables within their societies.
Posted by: hondo at February 22, 2006 04:14 PM (fyKFC)
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It sounds like family planning, and free choice here in the U.S. These people kill more children than Hitler, and Stalin but together the past 35 years.
Posted by: Leatherneck at February 22, 2006 05:02 PM (D2g/j)
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It sounds like family planning, and free choice here in the U.S. These people kill more children than Hitler, and Stalin put together the past 35 years.
Posted by: Leatherneck at February 22, 2006 05:02 PM (D2g/j)
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Whereas forcing white people to pay for the breeding and feeding of blacks, who form a significant part of the criminal class of any society they inhabit, is just okey dokey.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 22, 2006 05:40 PM (0yYS2)
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let me see....fewer welfare babies vs selected racism.....fewer future crimes vs.....sounds good to me
Posted by: Steve Sharon at February 22, 2006 07:29 PM (rfVSS)
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let me see....fewer welfare babies vs selected racism.....fewer future crimes vs.....sounds good to me
Posted by: LeeRoy Loots at February 22, 2006 07:30 PM (rfVSS)
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Wheres JESSIE JACKASSON where the NAACP to acuse the NEITHERLANDS of RACISM wheres the UN human rights weenies? where are they all?
Posted by: sandpiper at February 22, 2006 11:02 PM (uTBPj)
Muslim Ambassadors Threaten Denmark Months Ago
If this is diplomatic ship, then where is the Ambassador? Thinly veiled threats are still threats. Clinton Taylor in Townhall:
Nice civilization you got here. It’d be a shame if something happened to it.That was the sinister subtext of a letter addressed to Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen, asking him to “take all those responsible to task under law” for the infamous Mohammed cartoons. The letter is remarkable for when it was sent and for who sent it.
The letter was signed by the eleven ambassadors of Islamic or heavily-Islamic countries. Libya, Algeria, Iran, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Pakistan, Palestine, Indonesia, Morocco, and Bosnia-Herzegovina complained about the Jyllands-Posten cartoons on October 12, long before the current round of protests....
Funny how these countries demanding that Denmark crack down on unpopular expression have so much trouble doing so themselves, even when things turn bloody, and even when they see it coming for three months. Not “funny-ha-ha”. The other kind. [Read the rest]
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In reading their letter they cleverly play on a sprouting perception promoted by the Left: Islamophobia. I'm noticing this in non-political forums with growing concern about "insensitivity". Its the best tact to blackmail the Muslim world can use, excusing violence as provoked. You know, (Western) free speech can be abused and this should not be tolerated.
Posted by: Javapuke at February 22, 2006 04:10 PM (xeeW/)
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Is anyone surprised? Really? This is just another campaign in a war that has been going on for about 1400 years now. Islam has never not been at war with us, but we've just gotten so used to it that we're willing to give them a pass at the least opportunity. We should, no we must, exterminate every muslim on the planet if we want peace, othewise we will have to fight them forever, because they are unevolved, uncivilized, primitive savages who will never cease to murder innocent people in the name of their god. They cannot even live in peace among one another, so how can they live in peace among us? Kill them all, then we will have peace.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 23, 2006 05:30 AM (0yYS2)
Virgin Mary South Park Cartoon Sparks Riots (Updated With Offensive Photos)
Updated: I've posted some photos of the Virgin Mary bleeding on the Pope below. I'd suggest not looking if you're Catholic and might be offended. Where are the Catholic riots, anyway? And do Catholics issue death fatwas when they get offended?
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Just kidding. No riots, but they did spark protests. You know, a letter writing campaign and a call for a boycott of the specific television station--not the country-- that produced South Park, the U.S.A.
I wonder if the television station showed the controversial Muhammed cartoons, one of the biggest stories of the past few weeks? more...
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Comedy Central, of course, got the last laugh.
Posted by: Homeland Stupidity at February 22, 2006 01:48 PM (FVbj6)
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That's a Cardinal getting sprayed with vaginal blood. The Pope gets it later in the episode.
Posted by: Bob at February 22, 2006 03:46 PM (PcNQB)
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I didn't realize you were going to post the link, or I would have also given you the original story with more photos as well. 
Posted by: Homeland Stupidity at February 22, 2006 04:22 PM (vhWf1)
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You are enjoying this John, aren't you? I was right - your Buddhism is just a cover - you will get no courtesy, smpathy or taste from me.
Posted by: hondo at February 22, 2006 04:22 PM (fyKFC)
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I wouldn't believe anything CNN or John Ryan said. Both lack credibility.
Posted by: jesusland joe at February 22, 2006 04:45 PM (rUyw4)
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The Nigerian CHristian are retaliating of their own being murdered. They aren't rioting over cartoons
Posted by: celestial at February 22, 2006 05:59 PM (cwlpC)
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COMEDY CENTRAL is crap and they have done more then just kill kenney
Posted by: sandpiper at February 22, 2006 11:03 PM (uTBPj)
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funny stuff.
Posted by: jamal at February 23, 2006 03:48 PM (t1i+8)
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Are you permitted to issue fatwas?
Do you even have a beard? lol
Posted by: jamal at February 27, 2006 06:03 PM (oq6HL)
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What is up with the old man? j/k.
Posted by: Linda at March 06, 2006 11:05 AM (WEwbX)
WTW WhoÂ’s The Enemy?
I’ve heard some talk lately about the “authoritarian cult”. That’s not referring to the death and destruction of Islam, but to our President and His supporters by our own beloved “Left” right here at home. It’s been said that a requirement of the Right is to blindly follow George W. Bush or for the Left to hate him. The terrorists share your hatred of Bush but lets face it after that they pretty much call America the Great Satan and then cite issues that may be considered traditional Democratic or Leftist issues as not compatible with Islam or outright crimes worthy of the death penalty. They include Women’s rights, civil Rights, Equal treatment based on religion, Humane Punishment and Gay rights. Must I go on! The list is endless when you think about it. We on the Right or moderates among us are not authoritarian at all. In fact we have been fighting for the left’s right to fight for their issues too. For instance see how the religion of peace stopped Gays from marching in Russia.
Here are your White Trash Wednesday bloggers more...
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DU SCANDAL EXPLODES
http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=8018
Tuesday, February 21, 2006 - FreeMarketNews.com
“The Preventive Psychiatry Newsletter has written to its subscribers telling them that the real reason the former Veterans Affairs Secretary, Anthony Principi, recently resigned was because he has been involved in a massive scandal covering up the fact that Gulf War Syndrome was caused by the use of depleted uranium, according to the SF Bay View.
In the article Arthur Bernklau, executive director of Veterans for Constitutional Law, reportedly wrote that “thousands of our military have suffered and died from, [and depleted uranium] has finally been identified as the cause of this sickness, eliminating the guessing. The terrible truth is now being revealed.” Bernklau went on to detail several alarming statistics. The historical disability rate amongst soldiers last century was about 5 percent, although it approached 10 percent during Vietnam. But due to the use of depleted uranium in the battlefield, 56 percent of the 580,400 solders that served in the first Gulf War were on Permanent Medical Disability by 2000. 11,000 Gulf War veterans are already dead. Now 518,739 Gulf War Veterans, almost all of them, are currently on medical disability.
Principi, under the order of the Bush Administration, had been allegedly covering up the disastrous results of using depleted uranium since 2000. However, with so many soldiers having serious health problems it has become impossible to keep secret.”
Posted by: Greg at February 22, 2006 01:19 PM (q5wwn)
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Greg,
"depleted uranium" is a Leftist hoax. We've already covered that at length here. Don't make me prove you wrong yet again. And spare me a repeat of the Gooogle quotes. My Google quotes kicked your Gooogle quotes' ass.
re blindly following "Bush" (I put it in quotes because in the minds of Lefties "Bush" has ceized to be the George W. Bush that exists in any real world sense. He's a boogieman that really only exists in their deranged minds), conservatives weren't so "blindly" following him when they derailed his Supreme Court nominee, nor now with the Arab port deal. Which suggests that when we support him there's nothing blind about it.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 22, 2006 01:32 PM (M3nr/)
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I was just shocked that Evan Bayh was running dead last. I started the rant on Sat night and then Suday I saw him on FOX. Wild man just wild that one of the most level headed best speaking Dems is so outcast.
Posted by: Howie at February 22, 2006 01:46 PM (D3+20)
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JC he just did that becuase of the pic at the end. Of course off topic so we know it's him.
Posted by: Howie at February 22, 2006 01:54 PM (D3+20)
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Love greg's numbers - they are of course huge! - for effect. Now how exactly would this grand conspiracy go about hiding something like that from the military community itself - vets, active & reserve personnel plus families.
Oh! I know how! Because this vast military community is freakin' stupid! that's why we must depend on the "gregs" to "protect us". See, the "gregs" know we are stupid and incompetent - and thus feel obligated to speak for us for our own good. And - if it helps them with their overall agenda - all the better.
Posted by: hondo at February 22, 2006 04:32 PM (fyKFC)
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Are you still on about that you moron? There've been at least a hundred good scandals since then. Jesus, you're such a fucking idiot.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 22, 2006 05:45 PM (0yYS2)
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Carlos:"My Google quotes kicked your Gooogle quotes' ass."
Carlos,
I can kick your ass anyday, you meterosexual.
Impy,
You are one of them. A statistic. A poor, wretched, depleted soul.
Suck on this, you "troop supporting", circle jerk boys.
"RADIATION detectors in Britain recorded a fourfold increase in uranium levels in the atmosphere after the “shock and awe” bombing campaign against Iraq, according to a report."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2047373,00.html
Posted by: Greg at February 22, 2006 06:51 PM (q5wwn)
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Damn,
Arm-Chair Homer_Sectionals!
Posted by: greg at February 22, 2006 07:14 PM (q5wwn)
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Hey greg, quit sniffing the Drano and go back to your internet kiddie porn, you're making less sense than usual you idiot.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 23, 2006 05:32 AM (0yYS2)
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There are right wing conservative christiams and there are left wing liberal christians. There are right wing conservative muslims and there are leftwing liberal muslims (although not too many). In what ways are they similar and in which ways are they different ? Compare and contrast and for extra credit explain why the 2 religions do not get along.
Posted by: john ryan at February 23, 2006 04:45 PM (TcoRJ)
UAE Port Deal Argument A Red Herring
The squabble over whether or not to allow a United Arab Emirates company control over shipping operations at six major US seaports is a red herring. The real issue is the shameful state of port security, part of an overall slackening of security measures.
Following 9/11 a wave of public outrage forced the formation of the Transportation Security Administration to replace private security firms at the nation's airports. The plan then was for the TSA to live up to the ""transportation" part of its title and eventually take over security at seaports, railroad stations, bus stations...everywhere that mass transit operated. more...
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So your arguement that it's a red herring is this?
"The bottom line is that Islamist terrorists don't really need help from a middle eastern company to penetrate security at our ports."
Nice. We should just give 'em visa's too. You know since they can cross the northern and southern borders what's the point in preventing them from entering via an airport?
We can be all up in arms over China filtering free speech ... but don't stand in the way of free trade no matter who the trading partner is.
Posted by: David at February 22, 2006 12:41 PM (BhVb3)
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Bluto is right, I'm not sure of the reasons or the purpose but bluto's reason is as good as any. This frames some issues in some very interesting ways in some very interersting places. It's not what it appears at first glance. Could be realted to framing the security issue for the elections. It gives both the left and right in congress a way to distance themselves from Bush among other things I mentioned on Rusty's thread a few posts down. It helps congress domestically and Bush abroad.
Posted by: Howie at February 22, 2006 12:52 PM (D3+20)
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That's right. The UAE port deal squabble is just a feelgood-look-at-how-brave-and-vigilant-I-am clusterfuck that doesn't mean shit.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at February 22, 2006 12:53 PM (RHG+K)
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Don't worry about it, the UAE muslims are our friends. They really like us, they are the moderate muslims.
Posted by: john ryan at February 22, 2006 01:04 PM (TcoRJ)
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You make a good point, but I'd especially disagree with what you wrote about screeners at our airports. We spend far too much on airport security. It's dispraportionate to the threat.
I think I'll post something on it with reference to "prospect theory" and the "status quo effect"
Posted by: Rusty at February 22, 2006 01:24 PM (JQjhA)
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I disagree, Rusty, but if you want any information for your post just ask. There are some things I can't tell you without going to Leavenworth, but enough info is unclassified and/or already out there to curl your toes.
Remember, the big show is at the major airports. TSA makes sure that they have a surfeit of screeners there to convince the public that all is well. The small airports have been stripped to accomplish this. Of course, some of this is just because an FSD at a Cat X airport just has more juice than one at a Cat II, but the result is the same.
Ask yourself this:
"Am I comfortable with regional airports near the Canadian border being understaffed?"
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at February 22, 2006 01:37 PM (RHG+K)
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Yes, I am. Since 9/11, the danger to us has been severely minimized. Sreeners are, in my estimation, mostly wasted money. Unless the target is blowing up an airplane--unlike 9/11--then terrorists probably won't use planes again.
Why? Because they're not stupid. They know that people on board the plane will not let them use it as a bomb. Thus, the probability that they will hijack planes for the purpose of turning it into a missile, are much lower today than prior to 9/11.
The "status quo effect" is when people use past phenomenon to judge the risk of future events. It is a risk aversion fallacy becaue we tend to overestimate the risk of events that have already occured (another 9/11 plane scenario) and underestimate scenarios that have never happned (nuclear bomb in NY Harbor).
The example of 9/11 clearly illustrates the "status quo effecc". Prior to 9/11, airport security focused on screening for a) hijackers who had no intention of dying b) bombs set to blow up the plane. Because those two types of events had happened in the past, we misallocated resources to screen for them in the future.
However, because learning occurs, risks change over time. Risk estimation tends to be "sticky" because it is difficult to estimate the probability of an event occuring in the future which has never happened in the past.
It seems to me that we should be using our scarce resources to protect against terror events that have not yet occured, and therefore seem exploitable weaknesses to intelligent terrorists.
Posted by: Rusty at February 22, 2006 02:08 PM (PEYEf)
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I find the President's personal position to be even more curious, under this red herring theory.
When the inevitable security failure occurs, which it will with 2% lowfat inspections, you know the evil UAE infrastructure will be blamed, instead of the incompetent government flunky. This points the dagger of blame to President Bush, instead of the TSA.
National security is priority one.
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Posted by: Insolublog at February 22, 2006 03:00 PM (DSeW+)
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Rusty, I am in complete agreement with you. I think it is highly unlikely that we will see another 9/11 airliner-missle type scenario, but a dirty bomb or even perhaps a small nuclear device is possible, although not likely.
I think that the terrorists are much more likely to hit a mall, perhaps(and I dread to say it) a school, or a hospital, in a series of small attacks that could cause more casualties than 9/11. We are vulnerable to these attacks, especially in blue states where citizens do not have firearms or know how to use them. The local police are woefully unprepared to deal with this kind of terrorism, and that is why it is so important for citizens to be alert and armed. Our best defense against this type of attack is an alert citizen.
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Rusty, it may surprise you to know that I agree with you vis-a-vis the nature of the threat - and so does the TSA. Terrorists will likely be ripped to shreds attempting a 9/11 type hijacking today.
That's why the emphasis in screening has moved to IEDs. If a terrorist gets a plane-destroying IED past security (and you would be amazed at how small a main charge that takes) and detonates it say on final descent to JFK; well, sir, we'd have a casualty rate that would be just unacceptably high.
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Bluto
Reference the TSA taking over all those responsibilities including mass trasit - they were over-reaching coming out the gate.
Multi-state, state and local authorities were no way going to give them up or lose any control (security or otherwise) over them. It was a dead issue from the start.
Federal money & funding after 9/11 has been a giant cash cow, and non-federal govt entities were not going to give up any access or control because of it, and jeopardize their cut.
Posted by: hondo at February 22, 2006 04:49 PM (fyKFC)
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One more thing Bluto
when it comes to "security" - look at all the local pols screaming for "more funding". Accountiblity of money has been virtually nil - diversions have been widespread and massive. There is a scandal brewing under the surface that probably will not see the light of day for 20 years.
Just a taste - city of NO & state of LA was awarded millions in security funding for communications, emergency response services etc. The money was "spend" but nobody knows on what.
Posted by: hondo at February 22, 2006 04:58 PM (fyKFC)
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Sorry, hondo, you're wrong on this one. That was the plan out of the gate, but TSA management squandered too much of their budget.
As for the state and local folks not being willing to give up control. They weren't willing to let the airports be Federalized, either, but that's what happened. Whether they stay Federalized or not is another matter.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at February 22, 2006 05:25 PM (RHG+K)
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What's shameful is that the people of this country have become degenerate to the point that we will allow such things to even be contemplated. We need a good, old-fashioned revolution, complete with the mass hanging of scumbags; liberals, politicians, lawyers, muslims, et al.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 22, 2006 05:44 PM (0yYS2)
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Bluto -
After reading your comment, I revised my blog post to reflect that you and Rusty had different perspectives on the issue. You will be happy to know that NEITHER of my readers is likely to be confused in light of my revised post.
- Eman
Posted by: Eman at February 22, 2006 09:16 PM (c/4ax)
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You are all right . The Dubai authorities lack in transparency and past of being among only 3 countries recognizing the Taliban government does not make UAE or even Saudi any safer. On the other hand their option to join hands with terrorists can not be ignored after reading about what Koran says about Muslims vs. Non - muslims.
Posted by: M RAJ at March 01, 2006 03:23 AM (P7+MR)
Terrorists Blow up Shiite Shrine in Iraq
Tragic. Many Sunni terrorists have declared all Shia apostates--the penalty for apostasy under traditional Islam is death--thus justifying their acts of terror.
Insurgents dressed as police commandos detonated powerful explosives on Wednesday morning inside one of Shiite IslamÂ’s most sacred shrines, destroying most of the building, located in the volatile town of Samarra, and prompting thousands of Shiites to flood into streets across the country in protest.The golden-domed shrine housed the tombs of two revered leaders of Shiite Islam and symbolized the place where the Imam Mahdi, a mythical, messianic figure, disappeared from this earth. Believers in the imam say he will return when the apocalypse is near, to cleanse the world of its evils.
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I hope you are not suggesting that islam is anything but a religion of peace
Posted by: goesh at February 22, 2006 08:39 AM (vX0fY)
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I am sure that if this were Saudi Arabia they would have blown up thier Mecca. These poeple have no rules of engagement, no respect. They hide behind women and children. What a tragedy for thier poeple and culture.
Posted by: Tom at February 22, 2006 08:55 AM (FKR2r)
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I am beginning to believe that the only way their civil war will end is if the IMAN does return to earth. Look!! Up in the sky it's a bird, it's a plane (an F-16 ?) no it's the Iman !!
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This isn't going to be good for the President. This is a very bad development and will only enforce the anti-war argument that the administration is not getting the job done in terms of progress--in spite of all the good developments that the MSM refuses to report.
It's also bad news because I believe this is the first time islamists have destroyed a muslim holy site. I could be wrong though
Posted by: Agent Meatball at February 22, 2006 10:00 AM (30FRH)
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What I can't figure out is why the Shia in Iran continue to support the Sunni's terrorism all over the World, especially in the Middle East.
Posted by: jesusland joe at February 22, 2006 10:02 AM (rUyw4)
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JJ - politics makes strange bedfellows. Even though there are Shiites in Iran and Iraq, they do not share common goals. The Shiites in Iraq are being far too cooperative with Iraqi democracy for Iranian Shiites taste.
Posted by: Oyster at February 22, 2006 10:17 AM (7YTVr)
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It's also bad news because I believe this is the first time islamists have destroyed a muslim holy site.
If you're not counting the Iranian backed assassination of the Shia cleric Abdul Majid al-Khoei in 2003 which Moqtada al-Sadr was implicated in, and there was no doubt that his following insurrection in Sadr city was orchestrated from Iran either.
While a man, is not a shrine he was the son of Grand Ayatollah Abdul-Qasim al-Khoei who was a spiritual leader of the Shia, he was murdered by Saddam Hussein.
More importantly, he was a voice of moderation.
Posted by: dave at February 22, 2006 10:44 AM (CcXvt)
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A good thing to do is to wait and get more information. There are local people who will use religion to gain power like the cartoon distraction of late. Intentionally done to stir up uneducated people and use them for the advancement of a small group.
Posted by: Chief RZ at February 22, 2006 10:44 AM (iNTGz)
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One more indication that the Ummah isn't the big, happy family that we're supposed to believe it to be.
Posted by: Graeme at February 22, 2006 10:50 AM (30bc9)
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I thought the Immam Mahdi fell down a well in Iran... This is the first I have heard that he disappeared from a mosque in Iraq. And yes, I am being serious. Are there two stories (quite possible)or, am I confused?
Posted by: Babs at February 22, 2006 11:02 AM (iZZlp)
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While I have not heard your story before Babs, it would not surprise me such a story was disseminated with an important Islamic figure being claimed by both Iraq and Iran Shia Muslims.
It also makes sense due to the fact that the Iranian President ignored the original Shia prophecy in regards to the return of the Mahdi and claimed he felt like he was the Immam Mahdi during his speech to the U.N.
Posted by: dave at February 22, 2006 11:22 AM (CcXvt)
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The religious war in Iraq began long before we got there and will go on long after we leave. Of course, the Dems will hope that the non-thinkers will forget that and use the opportunity to cite the violence in Iraq as the fault of the President.
Posted by: Vonski at February 22, 2006 12:44 PM (Srmrz)
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I'm not sure that statement is correct:
The religious war in Iraq began long before we got there
What stopped a religious war in Iraq before, is the fact Saddam had everyone executed he felt was a threat. This is evident by the fact that the majority religion was the most oppressed despite their number.
Posted by: dave at February 22, 2006 01:24 PM (CcXvt)
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Semantics. I suppose you'd rather call it a "conflict?"
Posted by: Vonski at February 22, 2006 01:50 PM (Srmrz)
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Babs, he didn't fall down a well, but the Muslims write things on paper and throw them in the well "near" where he allegedly "disppeared".
Posted by: Oyster at February 22, 2006 02:03 PM (7YTVr)
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Who to root for? I'm stumped.
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Oyster,
What does "near" mean? The well in Iran and the mosque in Iraq are quite a distance apart, especially considering that this myth started before the advent of the car.
Posted by: Babs at February 23, 2006 10:43 AM (iZZlp)
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Geee A civil war in Iraq who coudda seen that one coming ? Perhaps we should start to consider what the worst case scenarios are instead of what the best case scenario looks like and begin making plans accordingly.
Posted by: john ryan at February 23, 2006 12:25 PM (TcoRJ)
Hitchens Looking for a Few Good Folks to Stand With the Danes (UPDATED)
Christopher Hitchens at Slate is a favorite read of mine, though I often disagree with him. Hitchens is looking for people to join him in standing in solidarity with the Danes:
I feel terrible that I have taken so long to get around to this, but I wonder if anyone might feel like joining me in gathering outside the Danish Embassy in Washington, in a quiet and composed manner, to affirm some elementary friendship. Those who like the idea might contact me at christopher.hitchens@yahoo.com, and those who live in other cities with Danish consulates might wish to initiate a stand for decency on their own account.I'm going to drop him a note to see when he's planning this. Sounds like it's worth a road trip.
UPDATE:
Hitchens has updated his post with the details:
Update, Feb. 22: Thank you all who've written. Please be outside the Embassy of Denmark, 3200 Whitehaven Street (off Massachusetts Avenue) between noon and 1 p.m. this Friday, Feb. 24. Quietness and calm are the necessities, plus cheerful conversation. Danish flags are good, or posters reading "Stand By Denmark" and any variation on this theme (such as "Buy Carlsberg/ Havarti/ Lego") The response has been astonishing and I know that the Danes are appreciative. But they are an embassy and thus do not of course endorse or comment on any demonstration. Let us hope, however, to set a precedent for other cities and countries. Please pass on this message to friends and colleagues.That's too short a trigger for me to attend, as I had hoped, but if you're in the area...
Via Michelle Malkin.
Also posted at The Dread Pundit Bluto and Vince Aut Morire.
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Is this gonna be one of those "I/we feel your pain" kind of things? - Or how about sympathize with your fears and anxieties?
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to recognize how much backpedaling and folding has/is taking place throughout Western Europe on this issue in the past week/10 days.
The Danes/Europeans will do whatever it takes to eventually to placate the islamists - and they have two aces to plays when the time comes ... the US and Israel. They will blame us(them)and shift the focus/argument.
Stand with the Danes/Euros and you stand an excellent chance to get knifed in the back.
Posted by: hondo at February 22, 2006 02:20 AM (fyKFC)
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-there is serious acid reflux in the underbelly of Liberalism - to endorse the muslim protest over the cartoons is to silence their attacks on Christianity - the tenets of reason and diplomacy and multuculturalism and goodwill and brotherhood took quite a hit with 9/11 and now they are faced with Arab muslims being in charge of some major US ports - oh dear! how to express concerns and reservations without being perceived as racist - tsk tsk
Posted by: goesh at February 22, 2006 06:45 AM (vX0fY)
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Solidarietàper la Danimarca e per tutti quelli che difendono la libertà.
Posted by: Adriana Bolchini - giornalista at February 24, 2006 08:09 PM (aqzzf)
February 21, 2006
Sitemeter Woes
Am I the only one having problems with Sitemeter? It's not showing up on my webpages.
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looks like it's there to me
Posted by: MacStansbury at February 22, 2006 12:23 AM (/rHNY)
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Sitemeter sucks, go with Statcounter.
Posted by: Vinnie at February 22, 2006 12:40 AM (f289O)
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no problem here, especially since I've permanently cleaned it off with Firefox's Adblock
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Sitemeter was acting up pretty bad on me last night... No problems tonight though... Everything seems fine.
Posted by: TOMO at February 22, 2006 03:41 AM (JqdyU)
Hot Muslim Singer Gets Death Threats
Why? Because she's hot. She also openly criticizes Islamic countries for thier treatment of women. She's also hot. Did I mention that she was hot?
Why? Because she's hot. She also openly criticizes Islamic countries for thier treatment of women. She's also hot. Did I mention that she was hot?Now this is the kind of Muslim that I could really get into!
Via Mac Powell at ITB this from Contact Music:
Muslim pop star DEEYAH is facing death threats because her raunchy new music video sees her strip off a burka (burqa) to reveal her bikini-clad body.That's how you fight Islamic fascism--by taking off your clothes!!! Who am I to argue with that?Deeyah claims the video for WHAT WILL IT BE? deals with Muslim womenÂ’s rights and female empowerment as it also features Muslim women who have fought for freedom of expression.
At first glance it's just another pop video, but take a closer look. There are not so subtle visual references to Ayaan Hirsi Ali's movie Submission.
From her My Space website:
"Because of her bold stance on Muslim women's rights, Deeyah has received more death threats than 50 Cent", says one UK journalist. "Despite the continuous abuse and death threats, Deeyah remains defiant against prejudice and discrimination on all levels--especially towards women.You can watch the video that caused the death threats here.
And just because we know this will piss some people off, below are a few images of Deeyah. All of them are from the controversial video, except the last one. I just like that one for some reason. more...
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I'll protect her! I'll just throw myself on top and be her personal burqua! We can shoot video's and other stuff all day! Well, maybe not allllll day.
Posted by: forest hunter at February 21, 2006 11:06 PM (Fq6zR)
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I read of this over the weekend and supposedly one major objection to her is that in concerts she'll wear a full burqa and then shed it off wearing only a bikini. Now to us American males, that's just good entertainment. Not so to the same crew that threatened a Muslim Indian tennis player because she wore a skirt to play professional tennis.
Posted by: Chad Evans at February 21, 2006 11:45 PM (+DXHJ)
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I'll bet the stress is affecting her immune system. She needs an injection of vitamin Bluto, stat.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at February 22, 2006 12:10 AM (RHG+K)
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Now THAT'S a Religion of Piece.
Posted by: Vinnie at February 22, 2006 12:42 AM (f289O)
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It hasn't been easy for me to imagine a sexy Muslim babe but she does break the ice. She is hot and gutsy.
Think of all the media no-cartoon wimps in comparison.
Posted by: Javapuke at February 22, 2006 01:12 AM (vB4YI)
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"Deeyah"?...
Yes, I do.
Posted by: Son Of The Godfather at February 22, 2006 05:02 AM (maXzk)
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You know, there's something wrong with muslim men if they get homocidal about her (ahem) attire. I can understand people feeling uneasy or even offended by her scanty and provocative wardrobe, but let's get a grip! (pardon the pun)
There's something sort of unnatural (even homosexual) about a religion that tries to make its women invisible; I think some of those guys have been living in caves for waaayyyy too long.
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>>>>"Because of her bold stance on Muslim women's rights, Deeyah has received more death threats than 50 Cent",
That's impossible. The radicals are only an intsy bitsy teeny tiny minority of muslims.
>>>homosexual
Yes. There is a high degree of homosexual practice among muslim males.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 22, 2006 08:56 AM (M3nr/)
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A couple of those pics made me prematurely fatwa. 
Posted by: Son Of The Godfather at February 22, 2006 09:35 AM (maXzk)
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These people are fanatics they are extremists and they are still calling it ther eligoin of peace what a sick joke
Posted by: sandpiper at February 22, 2006 10:01 AM (n7v4a)
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Never heard of Deeyah, but hey, that's my loss. Gutsy, cute, hot, whatever, she has taken a brave stand, and we should support her.
The slimeballs in the media have let a young woman show them to be the cowards they are. You go, girl!
Posted by: jesusland joe at February 22, 2006 10:10 AM (rUyw4)
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She definitely deserve more exposure. In the western media, that is, 'cause it doesn't look like ME people appreciate this kind of art...
- Max
Posted by: Max at February 22, 2006 10:41 AM (aPkwd)
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Some Muslim chicks are HOT! Ever see Queen Rania of Jordan, or Rudi Bakhtiar of Fox News (formerly anchor for CNN HLN). HOT!
Posted by: Spiffo at February 22, 2006 01:23 PM (6tdWP)
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That butt should never be hidden behind a burkha.
Posted by: Jester at February 22, 2006 08:45 PM (QKZX5)
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About 5 sec into the video, there appears to be a brief screen shot taken from the infamous video of the Taliban's public assassination of a woman.
Posted by: DC at February 22, 2006 11:50 PM (QPC7X)
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"You can stand up, lay down, or follow. You can stand up, lay down and swallow..."
Wow! No kidding!
Posted by: Babs at February 23, 2006 07:44 AM (iZZlp)
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I agree with Jester 100%!
Posted by: craig at February 23, 2006 03:45 PM (b3fZv)
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I could get jihadi on that sweet thang
Posted by: Pork4islam at February 23, 2006 05:37 PM (GObqD)
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A figure skater from Turkey skated in these Olympics and qualified for the long program; the first ever muslim figure skater in the Olympics. I think that she, with her tiny body and her little mini skirt, along with her family have more courage than any of the brave-on-paper only newspaper editors in the MSM.
I still remember how the medal-winning female Algerian long distance runner represents her homeland but has to live and train in France because she fears for her life. What a backwards and barbaric culture. These are the people that we are appeasing?
By the way, Bin-laden's niece has posed provocatively in skimpy clothing and wants to be a singer too.
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Sorry about that. The corrected link is here.
Bin-laden's niece looking provocative
Posted by: jmchez at February 24, 2006 08:57 PM (8XMTP)
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I can't believe I am going to take such an important issue as Muslim womens' rights and
break it down to such a simplistic, typical-
male response, but here goes...
"My God! The pool shot. What a glorious ass!~
Please tell me you have more pictures of her
from the rear? Please, Pretty Please!"
Okay, back to talking about the serious liberation of Muslim women
Posted by: Bob Diethrich at February 24, 2006 10:30 PM (JUn7h)
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Here's the moment I've been waiting for. Will the mainstream liberals now say that perhaps this woman should repress herself so as not to offend Islam?
Meanwhile, I'm going to do more research on this new phenomenon. Rusty, excellent detective work. Didja know Hewitt linked you?
Posted by: Gordon at February 25, 2006 09:19 PM (0k9o4)
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Here is "Shabana Rehman", another gutsy Muslim woman requiring bodyguards.
She actually physically lifted a mullah with whom she was debating...."Krekar, who said that Rehman picked him up by reaching under his buttocks, became furious"
Posted by: Zee at February 26, 2006 06:21 PM (HnkXc)
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first in consideration of the similarities between interrogation and brainwashing(remember Sirhan Sirhan?) how do we know what our government is doing at Guantanamo, and how We might someday be effected by its graduates? Is each and everyone of those released under the publically axcessable eyes of any one of our watchdog agencies? And why all the rebelling against our Supreme Court rulings by this administration?
Secondly would i be right in concluding that this administrations policies of putting the Kurds and the Shiites in such a disproportionately powerful position in Iraqi Governmental affairs compared to before the war, would be akin to putting African and Indian Americans in a comparable power position(citing their suffering) all of a sudden and then act surprized and appalled at the response of Caucasion Americans. Its seems to me that we are in the process of creating a "Community of Iraqi citizens" to perform the same tasks as that that we placed of the shoulders of Saddaam. Rings in my ears as a Forked Tongue Policy for sure. Think of the precedents we are creating in World Affairs! Later we'll replace the government and its leadership of another country with their minority populations or we'll just sit aroound and watch while another government (Say Southafrican or whoever) does the same.
And lastly as a former Army Corps of Engineers specialist, Why not have Our Corps leaders give Americans the estimates involved and let our troops build a better and more humane "Wall" between Isreal and Palestine according to our governments latest inituitive? We could do it much more efficient and the whole world would support us. Then we could justify some of that foriegn aid money we're giving Isreal. Your thoughts.......................
Posted by: ben haamid at February 28, 2006 03:57 PM (CY9ln)
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At first she is non Muslim
what did you know about Islam????
what did you know about the human right in Islam ???
what did you know about freedom in Islam????
I think that nobody cost himself to read anything
search for Islamway to know about what you talk
Posted by: malek at March 01, 2006 04:42 AM (QOaNG)
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I found some more information about deeyah
http://www.deeyah.com
http://www.deeyahpoint.co.uk
http://www.myspace.com/deeyahfans
http://www.myspace.com/deeyahmusic
Posted by: PK at March 01, 2006 08:21 AM (wcbV+)
Great Moments in Black Muslim History
You have got to see this video made by Bryan Preston and Michelle Malkin. The two of them went down to the Danish embassy to film the New Black Panther Party's Malik Zulu Shabazz leading a demonstration over the Muhammed cartoons. Let's just say it's funny, and leave it at that.
Notice, though, his problem with geography? This goes way back. For instance:
They [the J-O-Os] have stolen land from the Palestinians, killing and murdering the Palestinians on that landÂ….In truth, the land belongs to the African, who was pushed out of Palestine, Egypt and Northern Africa."Incidentally I once had a conversation with a guy in the Nation of Islam who was convinced Israel was in Africa. I happened to have a map on me and broke it out. As far as I know, that guy still believes that Rand-McNally was paid off by the Zionists.
Below: Everything you ever wanted to know about Malik Zulu Shabazz, from the more...
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"We will not allow some cracker named Bill Clinton ..." But .... I thought Bubba was our first black President?
"The New Black Panther Party has determined that Zacarias Moussaoui is a Black Man, an African." Gee. I wonder what his first clue was.
This is the first time I've heard of the guy. To call him an idiot would be an understatement. His family must be proud.
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Oyster,
You once translated for me that expression: "Too bad stupidity isn't a terminal desease."
So true.
- Max
Posted by: Max at February 22, 2006 12:04 PM (WM45z)
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If by nature you were made in truth there would be no end to you. Because truth has no end.
You use our wisdom to make you the ruler and added falsehood. You have a bastard like language. Take an airplane for instance, Who made the plane. Where did you get the idea (from the bird) Who made the materials? Who made you?
Our Black People are called to return to their own and to heed the warning of The Warner that these are the Days of judgment of this world (white man's world). They are nearly insane and their brains can hardly receive the warning when you try to tell them that this world's life (devil's world) is short-lived. They think that that which the devil offers to them is better than that which Allah (God) offers to them. Therefore, they seek a place in the devil's world, They already have a place in his world.
THEY make a mockery of the Muslim, the bearer of truth. The Muslim disbelieves in the devil and in untruth. THIS PARTY (the Muslims) are gradually raised to honor and eminence in the very eyes of the mockers and disbelievers. THE hearts and minds of the disbelievers are so absorbed in the evil and indecency of the world of the white man that their ears cannot be reached with truth.
THE civilization of the white man will bring them to the most filthy, unclean and disgraceful practices that man and woman ever practiced since they have been on the face of the earth. THE leading Black educated class is walking around in civilization like a jungle savage, half nude. They are using drugs and other means to keep them from recognizing and respecting the knowledge of a refined society of civilization.
IT causes Anger to the God of Righteousness for anyone to make mock of His Righteous Servants. In the days of old, He Punished all who mocked His Servants. The mockers of this modern day will not escape the same punishment.
THE Black man and Woman who disbelieve in decency and righteous practices do so because of advantages.I WARN you that the Holy Quran bears witness that this world's life of sport and play and gaiety among you is short lived. It will soon turn into weeping and moaning to those who live such lives.
THROUGHOUT the earth, and especially in North America . . . the earth and its inhabitants are hourly being destroyed.
THERE is no hope for a future in the enemy of righteousness for the Black Man and Woman. You cannot run today and get strength from the devil against Allah (God) and His Truth. NO!
TODAY, the devil cannot get help for himself, so how can he help you against the God of Power? The devil is your open enemy and he would not help you if he could.
TURN to Allah (God) and Come follow me!
ELIJAH MUHAMMAD.
TO THE SO CALLED "WHITE MAN"
You were made in gravity. We were made before there was gravity. then we ordered the gravity. Do you bring the water down or do we bring it down. Do you take the sun and purify the water before it comes back or do we. Then why don't you give credit to Allah. Show me something you have that you didn't get from us. Did not you find remnants of our civilizations buried in the sand?
God has taught me how to contend with the devil and I want to teach you.
Here in the Western Hemisphere, in America, where there is 22 million original black people living whose fathers suffered slavery for around three hundred long years, and this enslavement of our fathers has caused us to believe in the devil and believe in Almighty God, because they never knew anything of God or the devil, only by the teachings of the slavemaster and the slavemaster was always careful to conceal himself so that they might not know who he is; therefore, it was impossible for them to learn who was God and who was the devil.
There are really two Gods. The devil is a god himself, as mentioned by Jesus in the New Testament, the he is the god of this world, the prince of power of hell. This is true that the devil has been the ruler for six thousand years and god of this world. "This world" means the world of the devil.
Under his rule, the people forget the real True God and the way to that True God, because he will not teach the people.
Again, the parable of the vine or the olive tree, pardon me, the fig tree, that Jesus, as the book says, cursed, was also a sign of this world that this world has never produced converts to the will of Almighty God, Allah.
Never has any so-called American Negro been taught by white people to believe in Almighty God, Allah, and His True religion, Islam. Only in higher organizations or we say Masonry.
THE DEVIL'S LIES
The whites of this country make the so-called Negroes do for them everything that a real citizen does, and yet they will not give them equal rights as a citizen.They make my people ( the so-called Negroes fight to keep them ( the white devils ) free to rule them and their kind The so -called Negroes pay equal taxes but are paid the lowest wages. In certain states,such as Georgia,they aren't allowed to use the the ( white-operated )
highway filling stations' rest rooms (but will be arrested if seen relieving themselves in public ).They are not allowed to eat in public eating places,though they may purchase the food eand eat it on the outside.Yet when America's future is at stake, the devils tell my people that it is their country and that they are citizens of it. My people should know that they are fools for believing what the slavemasters ( their open enemines ) say, knowing that they have told them the same old false story many times.If there was any good in the white people ( which there isn't ) they would exempt all the so - called Negroes - their free slaves-from paying taxes, especially when the devils don't intend to divide their forty-eight states with them, not even one state, nor the spoils of war that they so willingly help gain for them.
African Unification Front
www.africanfront.com
Posted by: New Afrikan at February 22, 2006 11:17 PM (sfjbw)
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Hey new african, take your new ass back to africa and see how long it takes to get a burning tire necklace from one of your brothers in solidarity, and catch a dose of AIDS while you're at it you moron. Jesus H., why is it for every Condi we have to get about a million morons like you?
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This guy is half a century behind the times. And a millenium behind in thought.
Hey New Afrikan,
There's a log in your eye. You'd better deal with it soon.
Posted by: Oyster at February 23, 2006 05:58 AM (YudAC)
Metrospy T-shirt Maker Threatened With Death.
Not just production manager Johnathan Alexander, his family too. Sample statements below are of the type that Jawa readers, unfortunately, are quite familiar with. Metrospy is offering a T-shirt with cartoon of Muhammad depicted with a bomb as a turban. Personally I like this cartoon the most.
Metrospy Website : Scores of liberals and hundreds of Islamo-fascists have written in to tell me that I should respect ALL religions. Most of the comments are pretty funny to people who know me. Some of the comments further confirm what I've always thought about the so-called "religion of peace"...there is nothing peaceful about itMore samples here at YahooNews.
In one email the person writes, “We kill you and burn your shop. I am Muslim with forces in the U.S.A.”... ...Another email claims to be from the terrorist group Al Qaeda. It reads, “You only have 5 days and your company will disappear. I promise!” The email is signed, Saalem Al Qahtani, Al Qaeda... ...One of the more disturbing messages simply says, “In two days we kill your family."Kill the family? How nice and peaceful.
Others : Thisblogisfullofcrap.
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That's just the kind of tolerance and understanding I've come to expect from the Religion of Peace™.
Maybe he should make a shirt that has the acronym "WWMD: What would Mohammed do?"
Posted by: reverse_vampyr at February 21, 2006 04:58 PM (Ns5kk)
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The WWMD t-shirt should add a picture of a knife in a wound right after the question...
Posted by: Tracy at February 21, 2006 05:36 PM (YK8mo)
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Moisture Farm? lol
Posted by: Oyster at February 21, 2006 06:09 PM (YudAC)
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T-Shirt??? I was looking for the tattoo...
Posted by: Bob at February 21, 2006 06:18 PM (EKMxC)
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It shouldn't be long now. I'm glad the gun show is this weekend, so I can stock up on ammo.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 21, 2006 06:26 PM (0yYS2)
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IM, I hope you don't trust your family's safety to gun-show reloads.
Posted by: See-Dubya at February 21, 2006 06:27 PM (Oj6de)
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Where can I get myself one of these shirts?
Posted by: Phil at February 21, 2006 06:39 PM (cNAbl)
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Gang, the WWMD shirt has been done.. Quite nicely too..
Check it out..http://www.mikechurch.com/zencart/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=50&zenid=8ade0d6d994596710bb64b2e5346d84e
Posted by: disgruntledinca at February 21, 2006 06:45 PM (mQZ5P)
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He should make shirts just quoting the assholes. ROPMA, indeed.
Posted by: Jeff Medcalf at February 21, 2006 07:43 PM (4pYF5)
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Darn, those 'few' extremists that have 'hijacked' the 'peaceful' religion of Islam sure get around.
Posted by: dave at February 21, 2006 08:00 PM (CcXvt)
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Hello,toomuchcoffecan'tsleepandnothingtodosoIthoughtI'dcheckthisout.Nothingparticularlyinterresting,seeya.
Posted by: A Finn at February 21, 2006 08:17 PM (lGolT)
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"Talkers talk, doers do", line in the sand, mother of all wars, drive the jooos into the sea blah, blah, blah, If you pislamic little girls want to scare someone besides yourselves you actually have to do something that exhibits the trait of strength. So far you have only embarrassed yourselves and your women folk(that's why they wear burqas). Piss on you and your pedophile prophet.
Posted by: Dadzilla at February 21, 2006 08:55 PM (CDWOE)
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"Scores of liberals and hundreds of Islamo-fascists"
Personally i think we should call a spade a spade and say -
Hundreds of Islamo-fascists and their liberal allies/lackeys.
Posted by: MathewK at February 21, 2006 09:02 PM (pVHqF)
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Heh. I just got my t-shirt in the mail. Too bad there aren't many Mosques in my state. I'd love to make a moose-limb seethe.
Posted by: REMF at February 21, 2006 09:17 PM (7RMSi)
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I don't buy reloads, as they're usually far more expensive than milsurp.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 22, 2006 05:20 AM (0yYS2)
Show Your Face, You Coward
AP photo of Wassim I. Mazloum, on of the 3 Ohio conspirators.
Yeah, they talk a big game. But when an Islamotard* gets busted, he's too chicken to show his ugly face to the world. more...
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It's obvious he's in that position because the marshals are beating him like an undersized right winger. Once the jersey's over the head, the poor fellow is at the mercy of the thugs who've dropped the gloves with him.
Posted by: Brian J. at February 21, 2006 04:44 PM (V04ml)
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Notice how he conveniently puts that paper over his manliness? I guess he forgot to stuff the cucumber this morning......
Posted by: Rusty at February 21, 2006 04:46 PM (JQjhA)
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How many more sleeper cells are there? Maybe CAIR would know.
This is crazy.
Posted by: Leatherneck at February 21, 2006 05:20 PM (D2g/j)
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Fanatics need a mob for support.
Posted by: Tracy at February 21, 2006 05:31 PM (YK8mo)
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They're all cowards. They all wear masks and hide behind women and children.
Posted by: Oyster at February 21, 2006 06:12 PM (YudAC)
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You know that allah is not on your side...
- When your busted in Ohio with two co-terrorists by the FBI because they knew everything that you were up to.
Posted by: Fred Fry at February 21, 2006 06:21 PM (HJnrm)
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Every day I want to kill muslims just a little bit more than the day before.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 21, 2006 06:27 PM (0yYS2)
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Boy this warrior sure put up a fight...who took him the AARP??? No wonder they have to hide behind women and children...what could this perfect example of a Muslim fighter do against a 22 yr. old USMC killing machine??? Not a Damn thing 'cept die like the p%$@y he is! I get it now! What option do you have when your Alah is so weak and so are you??? Too bad Gradpa Munster dies, we coulda' sent him over for his last week and set him lose on 100 of 'em...
Posted by: Bob at February 21, 2006 06:30 PM (EKMxC)
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From a fan in Ohio: thanks to the gang that caught these nuts! I'm sure there are plenty more people like this in places all across the heartland, biding their time . . .
Posted by: Phil at February 21, 2006 06:42 PM (cNAbl)
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Not exactly the brightest bulbs in the room.
Posted by: hondo at February 21, 2006 07:30 PM (fyKFC)
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Dirka, Dirka Muhammed Jihad.
Wonder what the percentage of radicals is like in Dearborn?
Posted by: dave at February 21, 2006 08:03 PM (CcXvt)
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The boys in the pokey will get a goooooood
look at his face......most likely his ass
too!
M.W.
Posted by: Mighty Whitey at February 21, 2006 08:11 PM (LxONe)
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Makes me think of the Wack a Mole game at Chuck E Cheezes.
Posted by: Ariya at February 21, 2006 09:41 PM (uxW3N)
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A few white people play Hitler dress-up and Ohio is thrown into turmoil for days. Muslims are caught planning terrorism, and it's DICK CHENEY SHOT A LAWYER!!! The media will have to be purged.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 22, 2006 05:29 AM (0yYS2)
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No good coward hides his face what a yellow lowlife whats his game is he afraid his releitives will find out and have him hung?
Posted by: sandpiper at February 22, 2006 10:06 AM (n7v4a)
U.S. Troops Terrorizing Iraqi Civilians, Kids, Dogs (images)
More evidence of America's barbarity in Iraq. Clearly the Iraqi people have had enough of Americans abusing and humiliating them as can be seen in thes photos!
We've known for a long time that American soldiers love to abuse Iraqi men, women, and children. We've know for a long time that American female soldiers have nothing better to do with their time than humiliate Iraqi men. But it seems that their depravity has reached new lows when we find them abusing dogs in Iraq--an Iraqi puppy blender if you will.
Here are some images taken in August of 2005 by female G.I. who goes by the nickname of Parabellum. Where is the MSM and why isn't this frontpage news for the New York Times? more...
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I've seen hundreds of similar photos brought back by my boys. MSM and opposition will never show such material for simple reason - they have a vested interest in assisting in our defeat - in the hopes that this will return them to power where they can resume their domestic agenda. Any complications arising from this "defeat" they feel are acceptable and they can deal with (they can't because they are incompetent and gutless).
Posted by: hondo at February 21, 2006 07:37 PM (fyKFC)
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Good pics, Mikey likey
Posted by: Howie at February 21, 2006 07:54 PM (D3+20)
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Yeah these media scumbags need to be taken to their respective cities squares and horse whipped, now that's a bit of sharia style justice i would support.
Posted by: MathewK at February 21, 2006 09:05 PM (pVHqF)
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That's actually the daughter of a Freeper.
Posted by: Ariya at February 21, 2006 09:42 PM (uxW3N)
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Ariya,
Really? Cool. I asked her how she wanted me to attribute the photos, but she just said the nickname would be fine.
Posted by: Rusty at February 21, 2006 10:15 PM (JQjhA)
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Yes hondo that is the bottom line.
Always enjoyable to view such photos, thanks
Posted by: Javapuke at February 22, 2006 01:20 AM (vB4YI)
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MY GOD!!!!! SUCH SAVAGERY!!!!! IT'S ALL BUSH'S FAULT!!!!!
Analytical Kos Kidz mode off.
Analytical Kos Kidz mode off.
Posted by: nuthin2seehere at February 22, 2006 04:01 AM (blNMI)
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Wow, everything is ok in Iraq!
Those tens of thousand of innocent civilians are just lying about being killed by the US
Posted by: John at February 23, 2006 05:27 PM (rvfuF)
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How do these pictures support any of the claims made in the article at the top. Where are the abused puppies?
Posted by: someguy at March 01, 2006 07:59 AM (fqIu7)
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Fuck all you guys.
Posted by: George W. Bush at March 01, 2006 08:01 AM (fqIu7)
Terrorists Using Sheep IED in Iraq (video, images)
Terrorists in Iraq have introduced their latest IED innovation: the sheep bomb. Yes, the terrorists are using unwilling and unsuspecting sheep to try and kill the infidels. Will PETA now condemn the Iraqi insurgency?
Here are a few of images from a video from the Jaish al-Fatiheen, a terrorist group in Iraq, as grabbed by Doubletap. The first two show the IED being placed in the sheep. The third allegedly shows the explosion. more...
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I bet they have sex with the sheep before hand and make the deal a twofer.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 21, 2006 04:14 PM (0yYS2)
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Hmmm...a wolf in sheep's clothing?
Posted by: jesusland joe at February 21, 2006 04:22 PM (rUyw4)
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It's harim (forbidden) to have sex with sheep in Islam.
However, if you do end up having sex with a sheep you are supposed to take a ritualistic back to make you clean again.
Sex with a sheep they make you take a bath, while blasphemy they kill you for!
Posted by: Rusty at February 21, 2006 04:44 PM (JQjhA)
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Is exploding the sheep part of the cleansing?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 21, 2006 06:28 PM (0yYS2)
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Ewe!
Posted by: Asgerd at February 21, 2006 07:16 PM (wi2Ob)
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Don't forget March 15th is IEAPD - International Eat an Animal for Peta Day.
Meryl Yourish has the details
Posted by: jonny at February 21, 2006 09:03 PM (nytWC)
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PETA doesn't support the war in Iraq, oh well, don't expect them to go against the insurgents, animals blown to bits or not, PETA stikes me as a militant organisation.
Hence will lose knee strength when come militant tactics come their way.
Wouldn't it be interesting to see the results of throwing, some militant greenies, peta nuts and islamofacists into a room for a day or two.
Posted by: MathewK at February 21, 2006 09:11 PM (pVHqF)
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Fuck that's nothin'! Try it with a jellyfish! How do you- no check that, do jellyfish even have ears? If a jellyfish screams in the sand, can you hear it? Are some more ugly than others?
Posted by: forest hunter at February 21, 2006 10:50 PM (Fq6zR)
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To borrow a Jack Handy-ism: "Would we still kill jellyfish if they could scream? Maybe, if they screamed all the time for no reason."
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 22, 2006 05:31 AM (0yYS2)
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Yupper...shur gives a hole new meenin t'the turm...blown wool!!
Posted by: Cookie at February 22, 2006 09:00 AM (Ffvoi)
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First the IED... now the IER: Improvised Explosive Ruminant
Posted by: SgtSchultz at February 23, 2006 03:38 AM (GhEsu)
Bush to Veto UAE Port Legislation
Wow. And all this time I thought it was some Rovian plot just to make Bush look like a dumbass.
Unless there is some secret backroom deal going on here (eg, Dubai insists port deal must go through or kick U.S. bases out of UAE) then it looks like the White House has the ABC Afterschool Special view of Islam: it's wrong to discriminate based on religion, mmmmmkay.
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Why does't Bush just tell everyone why this is such a good deal?
Posted by: Leatherneck at February 21, 2006 04:08 PM (D2g/j)
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Even Dhimmi Carter agrees with the port deal. What's Bush's fucking problem.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 21, 2006 04:10 PM (M3nr/)
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When Carter of Arabia is in agreement with your middle east policy, you know you are 1-wrong, and 2-not lokin them Jew people too much
Posted by: Steve Sharon at February 21, 2006 04:31 PM (L+HFR)
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This is political correctness gone amuck. One wonders what it will take for people from bottom to top to come to their senses. An atomic bomb blast might do it.
Posted by: jesusland joe at February 21, 2006 04:42 PM (rUyw4)
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Proof that the A rab money DO-BUY American policy
Posted by: Steve Sharon at February 21, 2006 06:09 PM (L+HFR)
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Steve nailed it. I wonder what Bush is getting out of the deal? I always wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I see now that he is either as stupid or corrupt as the libtards have always said. God I feel sick.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 21, 2006 06:30 PM (0yYS2)
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I don't see what the problem is other than it is state-owned (UAE - primary shareholder) with extensive additional arab, British and German corporate investors. It already has a track record of port ops in the US going back several decades.
Carter will give his 2 cent opinion to anyone if they ask - or don't. He's irrelevant. now Hillary is another thing ... a lot of people here seem eager to jump into bed with her and cuddle up. Why is that?
Posted by: hondo at February 21, 2006 07:14 PM (fyKFC)
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Bush has never used his Veto power. If he chooses this time to do it, I think there is enough bipartisan opposition to overturn it. Several democrats have already opposed it, as well as some republicans, like Bill Frist.
Posted by: The Gentle Cricket at February 21, 2006 07:54 PM (USZUJ)
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It is odd. However right now Bush looks like the Supporter of UAE good for his perception abroad. If shot down it will be by popular dissent. Thus absolving W of the blame for the block abroad(UAE). Also it shows that the American people are involved and are mistrusting the Arab world because of terror. Thus providing UAE, who has stated oil is finite and they want to diversify, motivation to fight terror in order to accomplish the stated goal of entering the new investor economy and moving away from oil as the lone source of their economy. Other than that ???
More to this than meets the eye methinks(hopes) otherwise it's just stupid.
Posted by: Howie at February 21, 2006 08:09 PM (D3+20)
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This whole deal scares the crap out of me. Love the Bush-man
but he has lost his mind on this one!
Posted by: Mighty Whitey at February 21, 2006 08:16 PM (LxONe)
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In the words of the immortal P.J. O'Rourke: "WTF??? I mean, WTF'n F???"
Posted by: Eman at February 21, 2006 08:19 PM (c/4ax)
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If Bush does veto the legislation blocking the port deal, it's going to overturned by congress. That will result in Bush' political incineration. He's going to torpedo every republican running for office in '06 and probably '08.
You know what's funny. I don't think there are too many companies worldwide that can run an operation like this and Halliburton is one of them.. LOL. Can you just imagine?
Posted by: Richard at February 21, 2006 08:40 PM (7KF8r)
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Watched Baltimores Mayor Martin O'Malley tear into the Bush Admin, and watched the republican Gov of MD weasel yesterday. Today, both are on the same page..polls rule?
You know.. Michael Moore was right about the Saudi connection. I thought it was just blah blah, but you know... he's right. ( and I thought Farenheit 9-11 was only entertainment..who knew? )
Posted by: BlackCat at February 21, 2006 08:40 PM (oy596)
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Hondo.. the problem is that the UAE has a very checkered past and has been involved in financing islamfascist terror infrastructure. The idea of giving these guys management control of our ports is ludicrous.
Posted by: Richard at February 21, 2006 08:46 PM (7KF8r)
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Individuals in country - yes - UAE Govt - no. This is a state-owned multi-national partnership corporation that has been operating ports around the world (and several already here in USA) for several decades. UAE and corporation have got a clean slate and record - so what's the beef?
I work in and around port facilities - many are foreign operated. I hope no one here is dumb enough to think they are going to replace hundreds if not thousands of American port workers with Pakis with green cards! The workforce remains the same with the addition of possibly a few middle and upper level execs.
Posted by: hondo at February 21, 2006 11:19 PM (fyKFC)
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correction - no current port terminal ops here - confused Corp with Dubai Shipping which is a major world freight carrier and I believe a seperate part of the corporation. Bulk of their ops are in Asia (far east) and big competitor with Chinese & S. Koreans. Corporate board and Co Ops Global heavy with ... Brits.
Posted by: hondo at February 22, 2006 02:48 AM (fyKFC)
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Having thought about it, maybe he does have a plan. He used Harriet Myers as a stalking horse to galvanize his base into demanding a real qualified conservative justice, and we got one, more or less. Now, he won't be running for re-election, and neither will anyone in his administration be running, with the possible exception of Condi, so maybe he's using himself as a stalking horse by committing this outrageous act to get us all wound up. He is so unpopular with so many swing voters, and conservatives, that he may be giving strong Republicans a chance to come out and stand up for us. The dhimmicraps certainly aren't missing the opportunity to expose this lunacy for what it is, so maybe they will be forced to start acting like our compatriots again, instead of our enemies. But then, if they do that, we will have a harder time purging them when the war comes to our streets. Damn.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 22, 2006 05:37 AM (0yYS2)
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I still can't believe it. People are allowing their attention to be diverted from the most important issue regarding this deal.
Yes, there are obvious irregularities and "conflicts of interest" involved, in this little deal really, which are of concern surely. These are sides issues of less importance though, in comparison to the fact that ownership or control, when not both, of our entire infrastructure has already been sold to foreign corporations.
It is not just our seaports which have been sold off over the last four Presidential administrations. If only that were all there is to it. No, also our airports, railways system, trucking companies, highways and toll roads, bridges, hospitals, national retail chains, shipping companies, and even most of what little domestic industrial capacity left here to us in the US, have already been sold off.
For whatever reason, whether by design or by accident, the public has become aware of some of this because of the DPW of the UAR Ports deal. The electronic media however has not told even half the story. For example DPW is not buying control of a mere 6 ports, but 21 ports in fact.
Thus far media coverage has focused on the sensationalist possibilities, which I am certain the Bush admin, both can and will put to rest as they proceed with the deal.
Media coverage is also making this a very sensationalized partisan issue. Clearly however both US Parties have been fully complicit all along, in selling control and ownership of our entire infrastructure, to the multinational corporate alliance.
This same global confederation of Big Corps, doing all the buying, has no loyalty to any nation state. In fact this multinational corporate alliance, is becoming more powerful in wealth (the one true power) than all national governments put together, and they are doing it through the buying of the infrastructure within all nations, everywhere, not just here in the US.
Well what can we expect of the media? It too is owned and controlled by, the very same multinational corporate alliance.
Posted by: Natasha at February 28, 2006 01:53 PM (i6py+)
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John Buchanan, lamented Clinton doing the same thing, back when Bill was President.
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A Chinese Naval Base -- at Long Beach
by Patrick J. Buchanan
March 13, 1997
"And last year, Johnny Chung, who gave $366,000 to the Democratic National Committee, showed up for a Clinton radio broadcast at the White House, with six Chinese in tow, including an adviser of Cosco. The president begged off being photographed with his guests, which raises a question: If Bill Clinton is leery of being seen with these characters, why is he giving them a Long Beach naval base?...
Does anyone care about national security anymore?"
Read the rest @
http://www.buchanan.org/pa-97-0313.html
[end excerpt]
As you can see the selling off of America is not a partisan issue. Bush too is selling off our infrastructure. But why would a supposed conservative, hell bent on National Security and improving our economy, sell off our essential infrastructure? Really, it doesn't matter what foreign outfit he sells them to, or which party is involved in this sort of thing now, obviously.
The question really is why. Bush does not need the money, and it didn't go to him. I guess. So what the hell is going on? We shall hear the official story, endlessly ad nauseam, whether we wish to or not. So lets take a look at it from another perspective also.
Could globalization have anything to do with this, and does that have anything to with Globalism? Of course it does. What the hell is Globalism, and who are these guys anyway? Now that is THE question, and here is the answer.
George W Bush, like his father, is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, as are both Bill and Hillary Clinton, Dick Cheney, Carl Rove, Donnie Rumsfeld, and yes of course John Kerry and other phony liberals and phony conservatives.
WHAT THE HELL!? WHO ARE THESE GUYS?
The Council on Foreign Relations strongly advocates such deals, referring to the practice as "proactive global interdependence", touting it also as a necessary step toward WORLD GOVERNMENT. That's right. the CFR is a Globalist organization. They want a world government, 'and' they want to 'be' that world government.
How could they ever hope to accomplish this?! Well, nobody is stopping them, and they can certainly afford it, because "they" are also BIG OIL not just here in the US but everywhere on earth. Now that is some serious economic power right there.
The CFR along with the Bilderburg Group seems to be the headship of globalization, and they have long advocated "Corporate Powerbuilding" as a means to outstrip governments in wealth, in order to then subvert governments everywhere, through direct economic influence. It sure seems to be working doesn't it?
Oh by the way. Did I mention that Bush Jr and Sr, Bill and Hillary Clinton, Carl Rove, John Kerry, and others you have heard of recently, are also members of the Bilderburg Group? SURPRISE! They are! So is the owner of FOX and many other media owners, major newscasters, and yes even some cute and fuzzy pundits are members too. Hello, Rush? Is that why you are so well fed?
How could it even be possible, for this group of super wealthy corporate heads 'and' heads of state the world over, to ever hope to take over governments all over the world? Can they do it?
Well obviously, they have so much money now, they can both buy the infrastructure 'and' the political cooperation necessary to that possible. In effect they are buying the world as we speak. Both Clinton and Bush, and Reagan and Carter, and Ford, and others, have been selling our nation all along, like, well, like hotcakes. How does that make you feel?
Wont it be wonderful?! Imagine the same ethic displayed by EXXON, McDonalds, "The Good Guys", WAL-MART and that place you slave at, applied mercilessly on a global scale without the government or civil restrictions now protecting you. Wont it be great?!
Do you think maybe they (repubs and dems alike), got us all so divided and blinded with partisan squabbling, thanks Rush, that we didn't notice what they were up to in secret behind our backs?
Ya think? I mean do you think at all? Does anybody think anymore?
"Fascism should more rightly be called corporatism, as it is the merging of State and Corporate power." - Benito Mussolini
Posted by: Natasha at February 28, 2006 02:17 PM (i6py+)
Ohio Men Indicted on Terrorism Charges
(Toledo, Ohio) Three Toledoans have been indicted on charges of planning attacks to try to kill U.S. military personnel and coalition forces in Iraq.
From FoxToledo.com:
Mohammad Zaki Amawi, Marwan Othman El-Hindi, and Wassim I. Mazloum are accused of conspiring to kill or maim persons in and out of the United States, including U.S. Forces personnel. The Federal indictment obtained by Fox Toledo News Tuesday morning says the three were also solicting funding for jihad training, including government grants and private sponsorship.More ... more...The accused had travelled to the mid East to establish training facilities for terrorist activities, among other charges.
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Racial profiling!!! Call the ACLU!!!!!!!
Posted by: Rusty at February 21, 2006 12:05 PM (CIynh)
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I was expecting the names to be like "Brother Jebediah" "Brother Amos" and "Brother Zackery" you know -- one of those militant Hamish groups.
Posted by: dave at February 21, 2006 12:29 PM (CcXvt)
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Why do you call these muslim terrorists ohioans,they do not belong anywhere near america,these animals should be in cages ,back in thier own filthy countries.
Posted by: bob at February 21, 2006 12:34 PM (3P/JB)
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because two were naturalized citizens, and the other was a permanent resident (had not received Citizenship). So like it or not, they are "Ohioans".
Posted by: dave at February 21, 2006 12:39 PM (CcXvt)
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Wonder if they were caught through the "illegal surveillance" program.
Posted by: Oyster at February 21, 2006 01:18 PM (7YTVr)
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Those are funny names for Methodists.
Posted by: Ariya at February 21, 2006 02:02 PM (uxW3N)
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They don't seem to be appreciating diversity.
Posted by: CDR Salamander at February 21, 2006 03:02 PM (YEJjq)
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It's just a matter of time before these bastards start blowing themselves up and mass murdering people in the US. I hope everyone here at the Jawa is ready for this.
In other words, don't go to large events, or malls, or anywhere there is likely to be a large crowd that would attract one of these fools. And get your concealed carry license and be ready to take action against these people if you get the chance. You might save a lot of lives, and one of those could be your own or your children.
Posted by: jesusland joe at February 21, 2006 03:26 PM (rUyw4)
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Another example of the religion of peace. How many more examples are need before Amerika stops allowing these mood god worshippers in? Perhaps, it is being done to weaken our country.
They sure make in hard to love your enemys!
Buy Danish!
Posted by: Leatherneck at February 21, 2006 03:48 PM (D2g/j)
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What is more telling is the fact that two of them were naturalized citizens, this means they have learnt all of the history of the United States, for their test have lived here five or more years, and futher took the pledge.
So, even with all the opportunities, privileges and entitlements being a U.S citizen affords, they still harbor deep loyalties and resentment that supersede the act of being a U.S citizen.
I wonder what that loyalty could be?
Posted by: dave at February 21, 2006 04:06 PM (CcXvt)
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I'm glad to see everyone's starting to understand what has to be done; we will have to kill them off soon, because we won't have any choice.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 21, 2006 04:16 PM (0yYS2)
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"Toledans" and "Ohioans"
may be techinically correct, but "muslim" would be more accurate and informative.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 21, 2006 04:48 PM (M3nr/)
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Jesusland Carlos,
The word Muslim would be more compassionate, and sensitive too.
Buy Danish!
Posted by: Leatherneck at February 21, 2006 05:07 PM (D2g/j)
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I think the LPR (legal permanent resident) could be probably be deported if convicted. That's better than us paying to jail him for life. I think we're stuck w the 2 citizens tho.
Posted by: DC at February 21, 2006 09:45 PM (fvPDI)
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Jesusland Joe,
You are absolutely, 100% correct. It is just a matter of time before they begin small-scale attacks here on U.S. soil. I am not a paranoid conspiracy theorist nor am I hoping this happens so I can get some knotches on the stock of my rifle. Small-scale is simply easier for them to carry out. How hard is it for one guy to strap on a bomb and walk into a local Wal-Mart? Or take an AK into a shopping mall? IEDs on main street? This kind of shit is going to happen eventually, and all we can do is prepare ourselves. It is simple statistics that says small-scale attacks like these will slip through the cracks. On the contrary, according to the Islamic Jihad Movement of Jordan, one of the only things standing in the way of attacks like these in the U.S. is armed and knowledgeable citizens. I would be one such citizen, and eliminating jihadis here in the states would be less difficult for me than stepping in ants. I hope it never happens, but...
Posted by: Jack's Smirking Revenge at February 22, 2006 04:31 AM (CtVG6)
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Jack, you can hope in one hand and... well, you know. Personally, I see it as inevitable that they will begin their cowardly attacks here soon, but I think that for every American they kill, they will lose quite a few more, not to mention burned homes, businesses, and mosques. They are a tiny minority and stand out like a sore thumb, so they can't hide anywhere really, because once it starts, they will all be targets. Every last one will have to be killed or driven from America before we can be safe.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 23, 2006 05:41 AM (0yYS2)
Holocaust Denial Lunacy
I disagree with Sigmund, Carl, and Alfred. Denying the Holocaust is lunacy, but it should not be a crime. If one were to put people in jail for denying the 'truth', our jails would be full of Elvis spotters. Just because the truth that they deny is so disgusting and evil, does not give government the right to outlaw the telling of lies.
Besides, what government do you trust enough to decide the difference between 'opinion' and 'truth'?
Update: More from Wretchard:
But laws establishing "official truth" create categories of the Unmentionable into which subjects like the Jihad, feminism, abortion and Global Warming -- all the assertions, half-truths and humbug of the world -- will presently seek refuge.
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Agreed.
Stupidity is now a crime in Austria, what next ten years for denying the world is round?
Posted by: dave at February 21, 2006 12:51 PM (CcXvt)
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This conviction is crazy !! ? What about the crazy things crazy people say in crazy hospitals ?
Posted by: john ryan at February 21, 2006 01:15 PM (TcoRJ)
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I prefer to let the crazies speak up so I know who they are.
Posted by: Oyster at February 21, 2006 01:19 PM (7YTVr)
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Support free speech:
Somebody needs to begin the "Buy Danish,
Boycott Austria" campaign.
Posted by: thomas at February 21, 2006 05:30 PM (6nMOD)
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Europeans don't have free speech - they have perscribed privileges grant by the state - which can be redefined or suspended according to the needs of the state. Get use to it. Don't ever confuse US with them (Euros) just because they dress well and have cable.
Posted by: hondo at February 21, 2006 07:20 PM (fyKFC)
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Holocaust Deniers = Elvis Spotters
That's the best analogy I have heard yet! Did you know Elvis would be in his 70's at this point? Wrap your brain around that one... yikes!
Posted by: Babs at February 23, 2006 07:57 AM (iZZlp)
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